Politically Correct flashlight?

JCaswell

JCaswell

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I was listening to the news here in LA and they were talking about the new flashlight the LAPD is deploying. I believe it's made by Pelican.

Now I like Pelican Products, Their boxes are great and I'm sure this flashlight is great too--tough with lots of cool features.

What bothered me was when they went into why this light was developed. The report said it stems from that flashlight beating incident a while ago. The police upper management doesn't want flashlights that can be used as weapons. :confused:
Kind of baffling considering the cops have clubs AND guns--but they can't have 'weaponized flashlights' that can double as clubs? :rolleyes:

'A suspect was hit with a flashlight---something HAS to be done!!!':rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Maybe they will issue these to the PD...

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Covered in Foam Rubber o' course...

DM
 
if you understand how the upper management of lapd and the city councel works, then it makes perfect sense.

there were several incidents publicized where lapd officers used their flashlights as impact weapons, and they all resulted in discipline and lawsuit. some agencies train to use their flashlights as impact weapons, lapd does not. so any use of the flashlight as a weapon is a violation of policy.

did you know the officers that went to get rifles from b&b guns during the north hollywood bank robbery were disciplined?
 
MORIMOTOM said:
if you understand how the upper management of lapd and the city councel works, then it makes perfect sense.

did you know the officers that went to get rifles from b&b guns during the north hollywood bank robbery were disciplined?
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Insane! That's all I can say.
 
Just for fun: Back about 25 years ago, when I started with this department, the chief didn't let us have nightsticks. Instead, we had a massive 5-cell-Kel-Light flashlight.
About 3 pounds of aluminum tubing.
He felt that the nightsticks "looked too agressive" (campus law enforcement) and that if we had a resisting situation we should use the flashlight.
I (being maybe ahead of my time on this) told him that the bludgeon-like flashlight was much liklier to result in severe injuries or even death than would a regulation nightstick, and since we would have the stick in a belt-ring, it would just be part of the overall uniform gear appearance of the officer.
Now, many years later, we have the ASP on the belt, as well as a small rechargeable Streamlight flashlight.
(and pepper spray, and Taser...)
 
did you know the officers that went to get rifles from b&b guns during the north hollywood bank robbery were disciplined?
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Not as surprising as it might seem. A friend of mine got written up for bringing a department owned MP5 (which he was qualified on) to a barricaded suspect call.

if you understand how the upper management of lapd and the city councel works, then it makes perfect sense.
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No matter which city, council wants someone who will toe the line. Leadership and innovation are not qualities that make one a good candidate for chief in the minds of council members and mayors.
 
Why is it that these councils seem to always be run by the dumbest rocks in the bag?
 
Lowest common denominator. They got elected -- and the police commissioner got hired -- by promising the greatest good for the greatest number. That's inherently a media determination.

Theoretically it works both ways. Way back when, Rudy Giuliani got elected in good part because his predecessor was seen as ineffective against rioters. Today, fear of terrorism has given us iincreased surveillance and security measures, including police and even military presence at some transportation hubs.
 
MORIMOTOM said:
did you know the officers that went to get rifles from b&b guns during the north hollywood bank robbery were disciplined?
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That's right, and they prosecuted those Koreans that kept the their part of the city from burning during the riots by sitting on their roofs with rifles.:mad: :mad: :mad:

----"Lets see now ... City burning, cops fleeing for their lives and we have aerial footage of armed citizens on their rooftops keeping the thugs away .... We also have aerial footage of the reveling rooters trashing the city and KILLING 50 or so people .... let's bust the Koreans!" :rolleyes: :mad: :rolleyes:

Remember Maxine Waters (congressperson) praised the riots publicly and exonerates the rioters. --She calls it an "uprising". :mad: I seem to recall she wasn't exactly alone in that feeling, though probably most vocal.

Man, I wouldn't want to be a cop in LA. They're surrounded by bad guys! Reminds me of an X-officer I saw in an interview years ago saying some of the guys he put in prison had more honor and basic decency than his bosses. :(
 
Sorry to be ranting a bit, its just that these city council types seem hostile toward the police and indifferent at best toward those of us that aren't in a gang or something.

For instance, WHY would you send members of your overworked, decimated police force to collect the guns from registered gun owners in a disaster zone (Katrina) where armed gangs are burning, looting and pillaging? Who are they looking out for?
---and now this squishy plastic flashlight thing---The smarmy city council people on the news all proud of themselves for making the street safer---

AAAAHHHGGGGG!:mad: :mad: :grumpy: :grumpy:

Sorry. I know this stuff is pretty much business as usual out there, but sometimes it all seems to congeal anew and makes you want to :barf:
 
I remember in the early 80's being told by an more than one officer that he was taught never to use his baton to strike a suspect. That indicated forethought. Meaning that he intended to strike the suspect with the baton and any injuries the suspect suffered was from malice of forethought. He was taught to use his 4 or 5 D-cell flashlight. That way he always could say that the situation happened so fast he had no time to react to draw his baton. All he could do was respond to the threat with his flashlight which was in already in his hand. It indicated an immediate response was required. ;)

Unfortunately, it appears some town councils have grown wise to this tactic after 25 or so years. :thumbdn: Such a load of cobblers.

KR
 
Esav Benyamin said:
Lowest common denominator. They got elected...
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Precisely. Consider for a moment the average education level of the people that populate these large inner city neighborhoods. They simply don't understand that Maxine Waters or Sheila Jackson Lee or Henry Waxman or Marion Barry or Antonio Villalaraza are buffoons of the highest magnitude. All they know is that these people have vowed to keep the gravy train on the tracks, and that's good enough for them.
 
Bronco said:
Precisely. Consider for a moment the average education level of the people that populate these large inner city neighborhoods. They simply don't understand that Maxine Waters or Sheila Jackson Lee or Henry Waxman or Marion Barry or Antonio Villalaraza are buffoons of the highest magnitude. All they know is that these people have vowed to keep the gravy train on the tracks, and that's good enough for them.
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Ahh, the ring of truth.
:(
 
Bronco said:
... All they know is that these people have vowed to keep the gravy train on the tracks, and that's good enough for them.
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That and they'll keep 'the man' from cracki'n their precious baby's skull the next time he get caught carjacking someone.:mad: :mad: :mad:
 
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