Ponderings and a Question

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Hi,
I don't know if this question has been asked before,but,as I was on the shearing board with time to ponder.This question popped in me head.How do does a person reconcile differences between the Buddhism tentant that suffering and pain is caused by desire and the overwhelming desire for another HI kurki. ;) :D

Any company who actually cares about the people who makes the product and then real does something aboout it, has my vote for walking on water. :) :thumbup:

Well,I guess my Buddhists leanings will have to wait for a little longer before reaching enlightment.I think a HI Pen kurki is in order.

Have a good day
shearer
 
Well, please understand that my initial perspectives on Buddhism were learned from a Japanese viewpoint, with its inherent Shamanistic (Shinto) element.

Anyway, anything that detracts from right action is "wrong". Even "good" things can be "wrong" if misused.

There is nothing wrong with desiring anything, as long as you don't want it too much~ in other words, if that desire gets in the way of right action. I may want a cup of cold water, but if my child is thirsty, he should get the water. "Attachment" is another term that is often used, perhaps more properly, describing what Buddhists are desiring to lose. If we are not overly attached to our desire, we're good. ;) As long as your desire for the kukuri does not interfere with your right action, it's okay.

$.02,

John
 
Knives are tools.

Tools help you accomplish things.

Buddhism is a tool.

Perhaps the more important ~ thing ~ to look at is whether your desire to be buddhist is too much of a desire itself?

Maybe you should just be buddhist, and use the knife.

Both good, natural things.


I don't know if I've said welcome before, Shearer, so if not, welcome.

~ Bamboo
 
By what men fall , by that they rise .


If you really wanted to suffer you could buy it and give it to me .
I would tell you about it every day and your suffering would be exquisite !
 
Being Buddhist is using the tool, and you are the tool- no joke. Well, if only a little funny. I always admired what Yvsa says about this- he has used very beautiful tools, works of art really, in the field. There is a lot of 'being' in that, and celebrating life.


munk
 
grasshopper, if your suffering and pain is caused by your desire to buy another kukhri, you must get rid of these by buying another kukhri, and hence eliminating the desire that caused the suffering, secure in the knowledge that by so doing you have done a small bit to support a family in a far place, providing food for their children and a positive feedback to their artistic and work ethic.
 
The Japanese buddhist priests used to say these things and then go sodomize 12 year old boys while admiring the autumn moon.
Talk about "desiring an attachment."

There is no such thing as enlightenment. even if there were, it is not a part of real Buddhism. Real Buddhism is very very similar to real Christianity.
Basically it says " Dont worry about what happens TO YOU after you die, worry about what happens TO THOSE AROUND YOU today."

(that is , be of service to everyone in need; live a life of charity and dont waste time dreaming about some imaginary mountain of gold you might receive after death)

Here is a real lesson I was just given from one of my teachers, a master of the shuriken.
He said " Okusan okorarenaiyo ni"
It means "Dont make your wife angry"

He then explained that, if your practice of the martial arts was detrimental to your family or home, then you cant do martial arts.
You could substitute anything for martial arts, including knife collecting.
I thought he was kidding, but the truth is very real, very serious and very salient.
What kind of a man lets his family suffer for his habits, addictions or pastimes?
I have, but I wont do it again.
 
Some Protestant faiths teach that salvation is by faith alone, and "not by good works."

I had a problem making that lesson fit "Love thy neighbor." Was God wasting his time telling us to be good to our felllow man? Maybe it was "good works ALONE" that was not a key, and they missed that last part. I mean, "faith alone" wouldn't even help with the collection plate.

Arguing with a preacher when you're 12 is not too fruitful, but it can be memorable ("Young man, you are headed straight to Hell!")
 
Thomas Linton said:
Arguing with a preacher when you're 12 is not too fruitful, but it can be memorable ("Young man, you are headed straight to Hell!")
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I never argued with an adult when I was that young and it wasn't until I was about 32 when I told the preacher he was full of sh*t for believing that crap and trying to foist it upon others.

Of course since then I have mellowed out some and realize that Christianity is good for some folks.
 
DannyinJapan said:
The Japanese buddhist priests used to say these things and then go sodomize 12 year old boys while admiring the autumn moon.
Talk about "desiring an attachment."
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And of course the Japanese Buddhist Priests aren't the only priests to do this.
There are deviates in almost all religions.:(
 
Within reason, and excluding often illegal cults, blaming mainstream religions for the actions of criminals within their ranks is unfair and counter productive. If the Catholic organization has a problem it will need to correct it. Criminals often use bureacracies to hide and mask their actions. We have only to look at our own Federal Government to see that.



munk
 
As far as sexual abuse the Hare Krishna's are about bankrupt due to suits relating to the same thing.

The Book of the Subgenius avatar JR "Bob" Dobbs says all major religions have their foundations in slack but have been perverted by the need of men to be led.

Desire is responsible for everything good we do and also for everything bad we do. For some people renunciation is the only way. Some people have to indulge in a desire for a lifetime (maybe several) before the urge is gone.

I have mentioned it before here, but the book "After Ecstacy- The Laundry" by Jack Kornfield touches on what Danny said regarding there is no enlightment, or actually there is no time when you reach enlightenment and don't come down and do something stupid because of the Ego. Kornfield went to Thailand and became a monk but then came back here and a lot of the old baggage that he had came back and he had to work with it because he wasn't in a controlled setting anymore. He mentions how various eastern spiritual teachers say it the path is very difficult in the US even for people who have gone very high because of the materialisim and sensuality of our culture.

He also mentioned a saying that one's guru should be 2 valleys away. Meaning that if we were too close to the humanity of our teachers we'd see their foibles and maybe wouldn't respect them enough to learn from them.

The Book of the Subgenius has a neat concept. "Short Duration Personal Saviours" ;) Anybody that inspires you in the moment is your Shortdurpersav and if later they do something stupid you just move on :D :thumbup:
 
DannyinJapan said:
Here is a real lesson I was just given from one of my teachers, a master of the shuriken.
He said " Okusan okorarenaiyo ni"
It means "Dont make your wife angry"
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This is a holy truth, in any language. :D


Ad Astra

The khukuri is an enlightened design.

Posessing them is to agree with and share the enlightenment.
 
Hatsumi-sensei said that it's easy to live on a monastery and think you've cultivated spiritual power...which is usually lost when you come back to where society is. (Paraphrasing.)
 
There's no such thing as budhism...

Once you say..."I am a budhist"...you quit being a budhist.

"Just be happy." HH the 14th Da Lai Lama.

SHane
 
When the 'enlightened' folks started playing word games and juxapositions on each other in my youth, I figured they were mostly frustrated Lawyers.

(I'm not talking about Shane- his post reminded me of this is all. Shane's cool.)

It is easy for humans to get into the, 'what is most enlightened, saved, etc etc.

Kinda funny.

Be happy is damned good advice.






munk
 
Thank you Munk.

I had worried my comment might have angered some.

There is a great story about that quote by HH.DaLai Lama...

It might lose something in the translation if I tried to tell it...

SUffice it to say that "The Old Man"(that's what I call him...is a GREAT character withan immense sense of humor...and an intricate mind....

And my feelings about "budhism" run very deep...or maybe they run very shallow...

I try to be a look at the moon guy...and not a look at the finger guy...

To the author of this thread I can say something...and it is true...all of us know it...regardless of our personal beliefs...

Do nothing.

The blade that is yours will find you...just as the ones that are not yours will pass through your hands to others...

That is all the wisdom I have on the matter.

Shane
 
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