Poor KA-BAR customer service at 2013 Blade show.

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I would like to direct this post to who ever was in charge of the KA-BAR booth at the blade show. Im going to use my voice as a consumer to express my dissapointment to see that you were packing up at 11:40 on sunday when I made it over to your booth. By that time you already had all your product and catalogs packed up and were in the process of breaking down your booth. I asked one of the KA-BAR guys at the booth why you were leaving and you said "because of bad weather", and it seem to you did really care that you were leaving early. No apology was giving, just "we will take it under advisement" when I complained that there was still over 2 hours left. You should be sorry, we pay to attend the show!You were the ONLY one of the larger vendors to leave early. I asked every vendor I talked to after saw you leave early if they were worried about bad weather and they all said no. In my opinion you shorted every person that paid $15 admission to the show. Also you did every current and future KA-BAR customer a disservice, and showed no class by not leaving a note explaining why you left early and were sorry for not staying for the whole show. You could have atleast left catalogs for people to pick up.
 
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That sucks. I work at a lot of trade shows during the year and by the end of the show we are always looking for a way out, but we always stay around until the end. It is especially disappointing in consumer shows where there is a lot of brand loyalty and people are showing up specifically to see your products.
 
A lot of the people there at the KA-BAR booth came from some very long distances away, all around the country. What may have been weather concerns for some of them may not have applied to any of the other vendors. Considering that most of the people there were volunteers, not paid staff, means that they had every right to leave early if they saw fit or felt a need due to whatever reason. They have shown time and again their extremely high level of customer service by replacing every single broken knife I have ever heard of without any hassle to the consumer, and have gone out of their way to implement changes based on what their customers say on a continual basis. To claim they have poor customer service because they didn't somehow live up to what you as an individual wanted is less an indicator of poor customer service and more of an indicator of your personally elevated opinion of yourself.
 
Volunteers as sales reps fpr a trade show?
$olunteers who can leave anytime,.. representing a major retailer at a trade show?
Ineresting....not a very good busimess plan IMHO.but hey what to I know.. I only worked 2 shows a year for 7 years.

I'm all for supporting KaBar.. but that's a lame excuse, man......irresponsible representatives are the fault of the vendor..not the customer.
 
The folks at the Kabar booth were very friendly and nice.

The people working at the booth of a trade show do not reflect the customer service experience, only the advertising/marketing experience.

I believe you can get everything you want on the Kabar web site - and even email for questions etc.

best

mqqn
 
Getting through Atlanta Airport to catch a flight can be very time consuming.

Try getting to a show before it is about to end next time.
 
Getting through Atlanta Airport to catch a flight can be very time consuming.

Try getting to a show before it is about to end next time.

I take it you have never been to the blade show or you would not make that comment. I did get to the show before it was about to end. I go every year on sunday as it's less crowded and I don't have to stand in line for 20 minutes to get to the counter to see/ handle knives and talk to reps. On Sunday, the show goes from 9am-2pm. I walked throught the door right at 9am and it takes me the full 5hrs to see it all, so some vendors I dont make it over to there booth for several hours, and when I made it to ka-Bar at 11:40 they had only been at the show for 2 hrs and 40 mins, and already had most of there booth packed up. I don't know where the people in the booth were from, but there are other vendors there from all over the USA, Canada, Europe. KA-BAR was the only vendor I saw leave early, and no one else that I talked to was worried about weather. This is not a free show, we pay to attend, and it's not unreasonable for me to expect KA-BAR to stay for the whole show or even most of the show. If they were packing up 30 mins ealry fine, but to leave 2.5 hrs early on a 5 hr show is not ok. And like I said before, no catalogs left, no note to there customers explaining why they are not there. People go to that show to see and handle knives in person and be able to talk to reps in person. The blade show offers you things you cannot get on the phone or the internet. You cannot always talk to the owners, designers, people from the production floor on the phone or the internet, but I have done all those things at the blade show as well as meet actors, athletes, and musicians. Bottom line is I was able to do all those things bacause they were there.
 
I take it you have never been to the blade show or you would not make that comment. I did get to the show before it was about to end. I go every year on sunday as it's less crowded and I don't have to stand in line for 20 minutes to get to the counter to see/ handle knives and talk to reps. On Sunday, the show goes from 9am-2pm. I walked throught the door right at 9am and it takes me the full 5hrs to see it all, so some vendors I dont make it over to there booth for several hours, and when I made it to ka-Bar at 11:40 they had only been at the show for 2 hrs and 40 mins, and already had most of there booth packed up. I don't know where the people in the booth were from, but there are other vendors there from all over the USA, Canada, Europe. KA-BAR was the only vendor I saw leave early, and no one else that I talked to was worried about weather. This is not a free show, we pay to attend, and it's not unreasonable for me to expect KA-BAR to stay for the whole show or even most of the show. If they were packing up 30 mins ealry fine, but to leave 2.5 hrs early on a 5 hr show is not ok. And like I said before, no catalogs left, no note to there customers explaining why they are not there. People go to that show to see and handle knives in person and be able to talk to reps in person. The blade show offers you things you cannot get on the phone or the internet. You cannot always talk to the owners, designers, people from the production floor on the phone or the internet, but I have done all those things at the blade show as well as meet actors, athletes, and musicians. Bottom line is I was able to do all those things bacause they were there.

I have worked every Blade Show for the past 20 years.

"and when I made it to ka-Bar at 11:40 they had only been at the show for 2 hrs and 40 mins" Wrong again Nimrod; "they" had been at the show since the Thursday setting it up!

They had to fly out of Atlanta to try to catch connections so they can be back in the office on Monday morning.

And you have the gall to call it "Poor Customer Service".

I know the Kabar guys are good guys & are probably genuinely sorry for your disappointment.

Me, I just think you are being a whiney little :jerkit:
 
I take it you have never been to the blade show or you would not make that comment. I did get to the show before it was about to end. I go every year on sunday as it's less crowded and I don't have to stand in line for 20 minutes to get to the counter to see/ handle knives and talk to reps. On Sunday, the show goes from 9am-2pm. I walked throught the door right at 9am and it takes me the full 5hrs to see it all, so some vendors I dont make it over to there booth for several hours, and when I made it to ka-Bar at 11:40 they had only been at the show for 2 hrs and 40 mins, and already had most of there booth packed up. I don't know where the people in the booth were from, but there are other vendors there from all over the USA, Canada, Europe. KA-BAR was the only vendor I saw leave early, and no one else that I talked to was worried about weather. This is not a free show, we pay to attend, and it's not unreasonable for me to expect KA-BAR to stay for the whole show or even most of the show. If they were packing up 30 mins ealry fine, but to leave 2.5 hrs early on a 5 hr show is not ok. And like I said before, no catalogs left, no note to there customers explaining why they are not there. People go to that show to see and handle knives in person and be able to talk to reps in person. The blade show offers you things you cannot get on the phone or the internet. You cannot always talk to the owners, designers, people from the production floor on the phone or the internet, but I have done all those things at the blade show as well as meet actors, athletes, and musicians. Bottom line is I was able to do all those things bacause they were there.

The text in red in one of the funniest things I've read here in a long time. We get it...you're upset they packed up early. They did so for reasons that made sense to them but not to you. What else needs to be said here?
 
I take it you have never been to the blade show or you would not make that comment. I did get to the show before it was about to end. I go every year on sunday as it's less crowded and I don't have to stand in line for 20 minutes to get to the counter to see/ handle knives and talk to reps. On Sunday, the show goes from 9am-2pm. I walked throught the door right at 9am and it takes me the full 5hrs to see it all, so some vendors I dont make it over to there booth for several hours, and when I made it to ka-Bar at 11:40 they had only been at the show for 2 hrs and 40 mins, and already had most of there booth packed up. I don't know where the people in the booth were from, but there are other vendors there from all over the USA, Canada, Europe. KA-BAR was the only vendor I saw leave early, and no one else that I talked to was worried about weather. This is not a free show, we pay to attend, and it's not unreasonable for me to expect KA-BAR to stay for the whole show or even most of the show. If they were packing up 30 mins ealry fine, but to leave 2.5 hrs early on a 5 hr show is not ok. And like I said before, no catalogs left, no note to there customers explaining why they are not there. People go to that show to see and handle knives in person and be able to talk to reps in person. The blade show offers you things you cannot get on the phone or the internet. You cannot always talk to the owners, designers, people from the production floor on the phone or the internet, but I have done all those things at the blade show as well as meet actors, athletes, and musicians. Bottom line is I was able to do all those things bacause they were there.

turns out that Phil there has been going to Blade for decades, possibly centuries. He's that old, and experienced. Among other things, he's worked at Camillus, and in particular was involved with many important aspects (aside from the BK8 :>), and is quite the guy. Currently he's working for a WELL NAME VENDOR, and so is his wife. his kids were there too. family affair. He's more qualified than some to make comments.

if you've been going every year as you said, you'd probably know that anywhere from 12 noon on, vendors are quietly packing it in. many are often gone by 1pm. i personally sat in the KaBar booth last year until 2:30 pm, just for lols, and really it was a show. the place a mad house of last minute people running around like chickens with heads cut off up to 1:30 pm - they even turned the AC off early - nobody wants to stick around. most vendors were gone, or packing as fast as possible. by 2:00 pm , it was just packing. 2:30... ghost town except for slow packers, and shippers picking up pallets.

in terms of personnel, the two main guys managed to get earlier flights before the weather hit. perhaps not a concern for some (hey, it's just town wrecking tornadoes), or those that can afford to wait, but given that many flights were delayed, mine over 3 hours, we were warned to get to the airport sooner, than later, or miss going home that day. can't afford getting stuck in Atlanta for a couple days again.

turns out KaBar got there THURSDAY morning, so leaving an hour-ish early (we were out the door and in car by 12:45 pm) is really "the whole show" and then some. long days. imho. you might have cause to complain if they never showed up Sunday, but they were there before 9:00 and ready to rock. if the KaBar experience was THAT important, prioritize next year. come Saturday. it's busy fun, but there are not and never have been 20 minute lines there.

sometimes vendors never show. they're in the catalog as being there though. you could get a refund maybe if they were the only ones you wanted, many leave on Sunday for religious reasons. some just pack their table up on Saturday for lack of sales (or selling out), and are not seen again - esp the ones sharing a table as a temp. if you were buddies with a vendor, you'd get free passes. something to consider.

as for catalogs, there were none. zero. nada. they don't bring them. want one? call their #800 number, or get one for free when you order from Tomars, or such.

by Sunday, there was very little "special" you could get anyway - but you'd know that having gone all those years, am i right? most of the cool show stuff sold out late Friday, and the rest most certainly by Saturday. Sunday? we put nearly everything on top of the case. a lot of that moved before 11:00 am. what we had left was a bargain basement, and the prices were comparable to the first two days. you didn't really lose out on much. last year they were basically stripped clean. almost nothing went home but display and a handful of meager knives nobody wanted.

as for most of the special designers and cool cats, many of them had left already, or were leaving. they're not paid by KaBar or anyone. they're there because they want to be. sometimes they hang out late, but again, they spent three long days working the show, and they were tired as anyone. gone. you missed out. the big stuff is really saturday. sunday is mop up time.

turns out a lot of those designers can be called on the phone. they love to chat. if they're local, i know a couple that like beer. KaBar is chatty too. call them. you want to talk to a guy on the floor? they can do that.

since the show closed at 2:00 pm, and were in car at 12:45, i'd call that leaving 1 hour and 15 minutes early. which given the conditions, seems reasonable.

really not sure what you were expecting in the last hour of five potential hours, on one day, and two full previous days. that might be a poor show experience, and it might be poor planning, but not on KaBar's part.

as for customer service, KaBar's is one of the industry best. have a problem with their product, they tend to bend over backwards to help you.

see ya next year?
 
The text in red in one of the funniest things I've read here in a long time. We get it...you're upset they packed up early. They did so for reasons that made sense to them but not to you. What else needs to be said here?

next time we'll leave a note "gone fishing" :)
 
To the OP, I can understand your frustration about the KA-BAR booth closing early but you should REALLY do a little back ground work before commenting on members such as Phil Gibbs... it possibly might save you even more frustration.
 
all that over a booth at a show closing early i mean sunday at gun and knife shows are always slow nothing left and people leave early!! i mean really dude easy!
 
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So much to say, but I gotta leave for work.

I will return in the morning, to get my say in this.

Moose
 
I would say the OP has a legitimate grievance, though I don't feel nearly as strongly about it as he does. Ka-Bar has somewhat of an obligation to either have reps there for the whole show or at least make an attempt to give advanced notice that the booth would close early as well as make an attempt to have sufficient inventory on hand so that they don't sell out terribly early. Of course there is a balancing act of trying to have enough without paying to ship extra to the show and then have to ship the unsold stuff back, which usually means estimating low to keep expenses as low as possible. Maybe there were unforeseen circumstances that necessitated their early departure, I don't have the whole story. I don't blame the guys who were actually working the booth, people have lives and obligations and they maybe can't commit for the whole show, especially if they aren't getting paid. That's totally understandable and I appreciate the time they put in as individuals. However, the argument of "These guys have been here since Thursday putting in long hours." doesn't mean much to the guy staring at an empty booth at noon who paid to get in the show. Is it unreasonable for someone who is told the show closes at 2:00 to expect the vendors to be there until then? All the OP is really asking for is to know when the booth is going to be open so he can plan accordingly and I don't think it is unreasonable to assume that a vendor will have a presence up until the end of the show, or very near the end, unless word is given otherwise. If certain reps can't make the whole show then Ka-Bar could have asked others to fill in, or if that wasn't possible just let people know as far ahead of time as possible. Now as I said before, maybe the plan was to stay until closing but things came up and plans got changed. It happens and that's fine too, you can't plan for everything.

There are two sides to this and each is operating from a POV based on information the other side doesn't necessarily have access to, and I think that is of paramount importance to remember in this discussion as things have already gotten pretty heated here. I don't recall the book or the author but I read something a few years ago that has stuck with me since: "Seek first to understand, then be understood." Meaning that if you want someone to walk a mile in your shoes, you have to be willing to do the same for them.
 
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I have also worked a few trade shows and people packing up early is unprofessional and it leaves a bad taste with customers .I don`t really see why anyone should care how long the show was or what hours you have worked ,get a different job or don`t volunteer. We always stayed until the last and we have ,had many customers thank us and comment on the lack of care on the other(leaving/gone) vendors part. I am not trying to be inflammatory but really the show has a posted end time stick to it or stay home.
 
Sorry guys, I might have lost something in translation but is it unreasonable to expect that the exhibitors keep they booths and tables open while the show is still open? Is it unreasonable to provide a formal explanation and apologies to paying attendees if you can not stay open until the very end?
Some of us also travel very long distances to attend Blade.
 
Sorry guys, I might have lost something in translation but is it unreasonable to expect that the exhibitors keep they booths and tables open while the show is still open?

It is unreasonable to expect men and women to pretend like they are Burger King employees for you. Yes.
 
next time we'll leave a note "gone fishing" :)

Perhaps you can include his price of admission as well? Poor planning and communications, period. Given the level of experience, the marketing team should have planned accordingly instead of attacking a customer complaint with dismissive condescension. That is the very definition of poor customer service regardless of the subject and channel through which that feedback is received.

And by the way, its good to remember that the level of customer response emotion is very often directly related to their brand loyalty. Actions that affect one will most likely affect the other.
 
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Okay, show attendees, get there when the doors open on the last day. Don't show up an hour before the show is over, and expect to see everyone wait for you.

Show dealers/exhibitors, show attendees are paying to see you and your wares. We have money to spend, and if the show is over at 4, but you leave at 12, that is disrespectful to the attendee. We paid to buy your product at this venue.

These volunteers had issues at home, tornadoes, and I have no problem with them leaving the show to tend to business at home. However, I believe that Kabar employees should have been manning the booth. This is not a reflection on the volunteers, I have no idea how these big shows work, and if they had an emergency at home, I think that it would be okay for them to leave too. If you are having a slow day, barely broke even, want to get home etc, I believe you should still wait until about an hour before the show ends to start packing up. I don't expect you to stay later just to suit me, but I want to at least have the opportunity to peruse the items you have for sale.

Do I think the volunteers or OP were wrong? No. Just griping in general about dealers leaving early.
 
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