possible answer?

oxbubba

oxbubba

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i found this while surfing around on the other forums and if this is the same knife in question then we 'maybe' have the answer as to why Chris didn't fix it as warranty related. i dont think filing and bending is what Chris would consider routine maintenance.

if not the same knife, please accept my apolgies for the wild goose hunt.
here is link http://www.knifeforums.com/ubb/Forum18/HTML/000006.html
in any case..hopefully this puts it all to rest.


oxbubba---the redneck bovine


edited to add the link
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[This message has been edited by oxbubba (edited 01-20-2001).]
 
oxbubba,
Interesting, very interesting.....thanks

[This message has been edited by C Ben Susrool (edited 01-20-2001).]
 
Oh man- looks like I need to apologize for running my mouth before both sides of the story were in.

Sorry all.

If this is true, than I have no problem agreeing with the Reeve's decision. That's a big no-no.

Posted at KF by a "Lenny"

"Also, while the knife was apart, I bent the lock bar (or whatever you want to call it) outward slightly. The lock was extremely tight when new, and this slight bend has made all the difference in the world as far as ease of closing goes."

and

"I do feel that the New Sebenza is extremely easy to open and close one handed. Like I said, this took some fiddling with the locking bar's tension."

Lenny, care to offer a rebuttal?

Firebat

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[This message has been edited by Firebat (edited 01-20-2001).]
 
As Inspector Clouseau would say.....

<center>Case is Solveeed</center>

G2

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Wow! Good detective work Oxbubba!
I'd forgotten that I posted that review.
Well, here goes. First, I never said that I expected a free fix from Mr Reeve. What I said was that I expected better service. That doesn't necessarily mean free. After my conversation with Mr Reeve, I was totally perplexed. He offered no explanation other than the "excessive flicking" theory. And I knew how many times I flicked it open; 2. Now, onto my initial tweaks of the Sebenza. The filing I did, however ominous it sounds, in no way affected the lock bar. The piece I filed wasn't even on the lock bar, it was the piece across the cut from the lock bar; what your forefinger rests against. The other thing, slightly bending the lock bar outward to loosen up the action, was possibly the culprit. However, it still seems strange to me that the blade still locked up rock solid immediately thereafter for 2.5 more years, and then the wobble started all of a sudden.
I just wish Mr Reeve would've suggested "lock bar tampering" as the possible failure cause in the first place.
If this truly was the cause of the problem, I apologize to anyone that became upset by this whole incident. Please realize that I made my first post in complete honesty and was never out to get something for nothing. As it turns out, the knife that was returned to me by CRK, is by all accounts, a brand new Sebenza.
So, $100 for a new Sebenza turns out to be the deal of the century.
This incident is just another lesson I learned in the class of life.
Thank you very much Mr Reeve and I hope there are no hard feelings. If so, I guess I deserve it.
Regards,
Lenny
 
Well I guess the reason that this knife was not fixed under warranty was a valid one. I am sure if someone tampered with one of those $100k installations I read about elsewhere that the warranty would be null and void as well. As to another posting that I saw, being a Bryston dealer I know for a fact that they would not have fixed anything that had been tampered with, under warranty.
At no time did CRK owe an explanation to anyone other than Lenny. Since it does not sound like they were told that the knife had been tampered with, it does not surprise me that they did not give that as a reason for not doing the repair under warranty. They probably did not want to accuse Lenny of anything, in the cause of good customer relations.
Now all of you people that were so quick to accuse CRK of something underhanded should follow through on your threats to sell your knives. If this is the type of reaction you have to something that was none of your business, then I would hate to see how you would react to a similar situation that could happen to you.
Keith.
 
Yes, good detective work indeed. Wish I had read this new thread before posting one last time to the other one :-)...

I'll grant that modifying the bar would (A) be tampering that would void the warrenty, and (B) be something that C.R. could detect.

But I'm still interested in an example of something that would be covered after years of use.

Thanks, and interesting series of threads.
 

Lenny,
i found that thread by doing a search for 'bg 42' using the search function in the 'knife reviews' section of knifeforums. your thread was on top of the results that came back. i wasn't trying to find anything other than info pertaining to bg 42 steel.

now, is this the reason your sebenza had the problem? i dont know, but, i do hope there is enough probability to put the whole matter to rest. for everyone who needed an explanation hopefully this fills the need.

oxbubba-redneck bovine

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Lenny, you wrote:

"The other thing, slightly bending the lock bar outward to loosen up the action, was possibly the culprit. However, it still seems strange to me that the blade still locked up rock solid immediately thereafter for 2.5 more years, and then the wobble started all of a sudden."

Lenny, I 've got to ask you one question. Please answer with a simple yes or no. Do you think your "slightly bending the lock bar outward" caused the "wobble" to occur 2.5 years later?

You're the only person (besides Chris Reeve) in this forum that can answer that question. I agree that modifications by customers void warranties. However, I don't see how your "slightly bending the lock bar outward" could cause a malfunction to occur 2.5 years later. I could be wrong, of course. Only Chris Reeve and you have seen your Sebenza. I wish Chris would elaborate...

You also wrote:

"It's been back to Idaho twice. Once for a refinishing/tune-up, and once for my initials to be cut into the back."

As I understand the situation, 2.5 years and 2 visits to Chris Reeve Knives went by before the "vault-solid" lock up suddenly went south.

It seems like, in the process of your Sebenza's refinishing/tune-up, the lock bar angle would have been corrected, if necessary.

Again, I wish Chris would elaborate...

[This message has been edited by L. O. Little (edited 01-21-2001).]
 
Lenny, on second thought, don’t worry about replying to my question. When you wrote:

“The other thing, slightly bending the lock bar outward to loosen up the action, was possibly the culprit. However, it still seems strange to me that the blade still locked up rock solid immediately thereafter for 2.5 more years, and then the wobble started all of a sudden."

You said all you need to say. Please forgive me for putting you on the spot.

This forum is moderated by Chris Reeve Knives. Therefore, I ask Chris Reeve, “Do you think your "slightly bending the lock bar outward" caused the "wobble" to occur 2.5 years later?”.
 
It is hard to believe that someone would tweak something and then complain about being charged to repair it. Bending counter to a preset bend can only weaken the material. Take beer can tops, bend them back and forth a few times and they break off. Sure titanium is not aluminum but the analogy holds. Two years later or ten years later at some point a failure may occur. This is not a material or workmanship question. Good job finding this thread it goes a long way in explaining the problem

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Depends on the bend doesn't it? If the bar is bent outward in the middle, the action would loosen up a bit but the blade and the lock interface would no longer be exactly parallel, though it still might lock up rock solid. This would accelerate the wear on the tip of the lock because it is no longer a flush fit and when it wears with time, it could REALLY loosen up. So I could see how a bend in the lock could screw you down the road. This would be clearer if I could draw you a pic but I've already wasted enough time on this thread.

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