Possible WWI machete

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Ok, this may be a little tough but here goes. A friend of mine and her husband were recently posted in Oregon, and while out hitting antique/whatever stores, she ran across and bought a machete purported to be of WWI vintage, specifically an engineers machete. Wood handle, no cross guard but a bit of steel on the hilt, very curved blade.(almost Filipino-like) Leather sheath, with brass chape(throat opening) and end (can't think of the proper name) protector. It's stamped,or embossed with Collins & Co, Legitamus below what as best Ican tell is a man wielding a raised hammer at a forge. The blade has no markings, but the handle is stamped (indecipherably to me) with what she says are the appropriate marks for Army use. I wish I could post the darn pictures, but they are on Facebook and I'm mentally challenged. Does any of this ring a bell for anyone? The blade is obviously old carbon and Patinated, and the brass would seem to have about the right amount of verdigris one would expect. The shape of the blade is surprising to me; I definitely wouldn't call it a sickle, but the curvature amount is more than what I would expect, given the time frame. If someone who can upload wants to get ahold of me, I can save the photos to my phone, and probably send them in an email.(really, I'm almost a neo-Luddite when it comes to this). Maybe I'm posting this in the wrong forum but given the age it seemed a good place to start. ...And go! :D
Thanks, Neal
 
If it is a real Collins legitimus the stamp will be a crown with a hand holding a hammer protruding out of it ( can't remember how many points the crowns have on the legitimate ones have )
 
After double checking that is indeed the imprint on the leather-crown, man,and hammer. There appear to be 5 points on the crown. Collins and Co. is above and legitamus is below the crown/man. As I explained I'm a dodo when it comes to posting pictures, but we'll see what we can do. Jake, it's definitely a bolo shape, but more like the original Filipino type. I dunno, they are very interesting photos.
Thanks, Neal
 
Thomas-that would be the exact thing! Is this in fact an engineers bolo machete? Jake suggests 1909 manufacture, any way to date, or were they made for a number of years? Also,are they very common? Logic says with the age prolly not, but I have no idea. I'm just looking for any information of interest to share with my friend.
Thanks, Neal
 
Neal, It was a wild guess. The knife in Thomas Linton's photo appears to be #1005. Here's some info from Frank T's website: http://www.usmilitaryknives.com/cr_commentaries_5.htm

MILITARY MYTHS AND MISCONCEPTIONS 4

The Engineer Machete (Bolo Type)

The Myth: The Collins No. 1005 Engineer machete was used in the Spanish American War."

The full story will be covered in my forthcoming book. This particular myth has been picked up and elaborated upon by at least two other authors since Howard Cole was misled by a well-meaning but ill-informed reply to a query.

First, all Collins pattern numbers were assigned in numerical order and are otherwise meaningless. This is not true for many cutlery manufacturers but it is for Collins. Thus the No. l005 has to succeed the Collins No. 1001 which is the U.S.M.C. Intrenching Machete which was adopted under a specification dated in 1915. The Engineer machete could not have been used earlier because it did not exist!

Two, this Collins pattern 1005 implement was adopted by the U.S. Army Engineer Corps in 1918. Two different drawings show it. And it came out so late that it was not used in WW I either and by WW II it was already obsolete though a few were in CCC stocks. The quote in Cole attributing it to the Spanish American War is a simple example of someone answering a letter who simply did not known where to look for the proper answer. The Collins Register of Edge Tools would have given this answer. Instead trying to be helpful, the writer led many astray. Ask a leading question and you get the answer you expect.

Third, writers persist in trying to sort the handle variations of the Engineer machete into some time-logical order. There is none! All of the variants were produced concurrently. Why look for phantoms? The drawing by the Engineer Depot shows one pattern, another drawing by the Engineer Department shows another, and specimens differ again. No one tries to sort out Mk l Navy knives this way. It's simply irrelevant.MILITARY MYTHS AND MISCONCEPTIONS 4

The Engineer Machete (Bolo Type)

The Myth: The Collins No. 1005 Engineer machete was used in the Spanish American War."

The full story will be covered in my forthcoming book. This particular myth has been picked up and elaborated upon by at least two other authors since Howard Cole was misled by a well-meaning but ill-informed reply to a query.

First, all Collins pattern numbers were assigned in numerical order and are otherwise meaningless. This is not true for many cutlery manufacturers but it is for Collins. Thus the No. l005 has to succeed the Collins No. 1001 which is the U.S.M.C. Intrenching Machete which was adopted under a specification dated in 1915. The Engineer machete could not have been used earlier because it did not exist!

Two, this Collins pattern 1005 implement was adopted by the U.S. Army Engineer Corps in 1918. Two different drawings show it. And it came out so late that it was not used in WW I either and by WW II it was already obsolete though a few were in CCC stocks. The quote in Cole attributing it to the Spanish American War is a simple example of someone answering a letter who simply did not known where to look for the proper answer. The Collins Register of Edge Tools would have given this answer. Instead trying to be helpful, the writer led many astray. Ask a leading question and you get the answer you expect.

Third, writers persist in trying to sort the handle variations of the Engineer machete into some time-logical order. There is none! All of the variants were produced concurrently. Why look for phantoms? The drawing by the Engineer Depot shows one pattern, another drawing by the Engineer Department shows another, and specimens differ again. No one tries to sort out Mk l Navy knives this way. It's simply irrelevant.
 
Neal, hope you use the link provided by supratentorial. You could also Google Engineer Bolo OR machete OR knife OR 1909
 
Thanks gentleman, I will pass the info and link on to my friend, she'll be quite pleased. I believe this currently resides near her bed along with her 9mm. Quite a woman. :D
 
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