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Darrel
I did get my nose bent out of shape not because you had a different opinion but you stated"if you want to do it right " in the post of Kevins. Thats not an opinion, thats stating there is only one way of doing it!!!, It didn't seem like an opinion when you stated I was doing something wrong if I
was having trouble quenching 52100 in transmission fluid rather than quenching oil. Y stated you only walk with facts again not an opinion only one way of doing it and stating don't fool with mother nature what is that suppose to mean? .You do carry alot of weight with your statements. I've done alot of experimenting with 52100 over the last 6 years and I feel i've just scratched the surface. The ASM book works for what it was designed and is
a starting point but not the last answer.
I stated I was going to stay off the forum
and I usually let sleeping dogs lie, but my
plan is to put my procedures for forging and heat treating/cryo treating 52100 and some of the problems encountered.

goshawk

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http://www.imt.net/~goshawk The race is not always to the swift, but he who hangs loose.
Don't walk in tradition just because it feels good!!!!!

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Go
You said in the post above my dont fool with mother nature Dont stick to tradition. I came back with dont fool with mother nature.
I must have left out my normal statement
If you want to do it right IMHO
I feel we both esulated the situation to a point we didnt need to . So
I am big enough to apologize to you here for the world to see.

Im sure you have extremly valuable information on 52100. But I am sure that the process and test I do is just as important.

Please forgive my arrogants

Please continue to post and I will be a little more careful about stating that what I am conveying to the other person with a question ....... This is my humble opinion.

There are many ways to reach an answer.

Thanks for your support.

BTW as for weight in what I say well that is in the eye of the beholder. I dont claim and never will claim to know the answers. I just know the way I do what I do. Learning is my goal.... If I can help I will :}
 
Hope it works out because you both are very knowlegable and talented makers with a lot to offer those of us who don't have the knowledge. I for one appriciate and respect both of your opinions....
 
I really wasn't really looking for an appology but I accept on behalf of everyone
that posts on this great forum.
I hope I ahven't conveyed that I don't respect Darrel's opinion. Because I agree
with him 100 percent on his views in the
post on ABS test 90 degree bend (one of the other forums) Take a look he hit the nail
right on the head. The good ole boy click probably won't see it that way but it's true.
If you don't think the ABS is highly Political think again. They have used some
young people just to promote ABS and get publicity(sp?) but I still support them. Even though some of them have their head in a crevice The organization as a whole is outstanding. There are some bladesmiths (not all mastesmiths or J.Smith) that belong to ABS that totally blow my mind with some of the work they are doing. I aso want to convey
that I appreciate the posts and all that do
because I learn from them. I hope i don't stop. Keep on experimenting and pass on the
kn owledge.
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http://www.imt.net/~goshawk The race is not always to the swift, but he who hangs loose.
Don't walk in tradition just because it feels good!!!!!



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JTT
I think we just had a slight misunderstanding. Its all taken care of now.
:}

Go
As for my intent with the ABS I think the tests are good onew. I do feel that the knifebuying community miunderstand what the tests are for. They think that the blades are the type that all bladesmiths make on a regular basis. I do not personally. I like my backs about 47-50 RC and the edges about 58 for most steels.Thats just my opinion.The bend test is just IMHO To see if the maker understands heat treating, The rope test is to see if you understand edge thickness, The two by four test is to see if you understnd toughness and edge retention?
Something like that .

The MS test is a SOB in my opinion and has to be looked at as a personal goal. No person that I know would put there self through the hell and agony that it takes to do the Q Dagger and 4 perfect knives it takes to make it through the test unless it was a personal goal . I like a challendge.

I feel that Jerry Fisk will make good on what he said about changing the JS tests . Im sure there is more to this than we can even begin to think about and the overall procees is very time consuming. I will like to see what the judges are looking for in the MS knives to have them pass the judges opinion!

What I said was not a hit on the abs on the other forum Just kinda felt like an idiot when I coulda done less to get the JS stamp..

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Yes, I've never heard that the ABS is the lsat word or free from politics...So it goes. Somedays I think how could we have so many resources unless there were as many involved as there are in knife-making. Then I think "are we wasting time organizing when we could be making???" These are the times I recall Wm. Scagle knives and how he pioneered alone and did damn good! I think making could outlive anything we could organize because it's such a long held tradition....man is often defined as a tool making animal!
 
sunfish
Your right if the abs disappeared tommorrow
knife building would still go on, BUT the ABS
does promote knife building and ther are a
huge number of people in ABS that are great
people. With all the ills there are still
more good things. The other thing is that
the ABS has set goals to reach and the way
to ultimately look at it is a challenge. If
a person doesn't want to participate then
don't. It doesn't mean you can't make great knives.

Darrel
You probably wouldn't have had to work as hard as you did, but I think doing your very
best in all you do won't be disappointing or ever come back on you. The stress involved
shouldn't be as great as it is because it isn't or shouldn't be a make or break situation. This comes back to the test
I agree it has become something to just get
by not to make your knives you make everyday
pass the test. Or shoud I say I feel that the knives that I make with a hard edge and
one that will hold an edge very well will pass the test even if it's a 4" blade.

goshawk

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http://www.imt.net/~goshawk The race is not always to the swift, but he who hangs loose.
Don't walk in tradition just because it feels good!!!!!

 
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