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Wanted to post a prayer thread for the Vanessa Guerena and her children,family of USMC veteran, Jose Guerena, who was unlawfully gunned down and left to bleed to death by an Arizona SWAT team-actually I will say the people in charge of that team. I am quite angered by the story and how the Pima County Sheriff's Department is handling the situation by trying to hide a big mistake. Google "Jose Guerena Killed" if you want to know more. Vanessa and Jose's two sons, 4 and 6, have to now live with the fact of what has happened. My prayer goes out to them.

to add then---I will voice my opinion here-and if I cross the line because this isn't the place for such things, someone will obviously let me know. I guess I will add to clarify since Mr Benyamin has raised a question on my intentions-I'm actually wouldn't consider myself a very religious person. Spiritual sometimes but I don't follow any one particular religion. I do believe in a higher existence of good and I believe that evil exists opposite that force. I don't go to church but in a situation like this, when it involves others that really need help, I will throw in a prayer or whatever you want to call it for those individuals.
Also, I don't take an ignorant view of the police. It is true that when humans are placed in a position of authority, eventually they may end up abusing it but that doesn't mean all police will abuse their power at all. I've had some bad run ins with not so good cops-a couple here and there but I have also met many FINE, OUTSTANDING police men and women on the force-INDIVIDUALS THAT WILL PROTECT YOU WITH THEIR LIVES NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE (yes to some of you, there are police out there like that). I have as much respect for the later individuals as I do for our military personel because of the work they do and the stress they have to deal with up holding the law. They often have to deal with the worst of our society and that will take its toll on anyone over time. They are just human beings like the rest of us and they make mistakes. The SWAT team in this incident don't have my finger pointed at them(if I knew the whole story-if I was there, maybe that stance would change, maybe it wouldn't--I am sort of wondering about how they wouldn't let the paramedics work on him) because they were more than likely just doing what they were told to do just like our military. It's the individuals in charge that were hesitant to fess up at first that got to me. Whoever the lead investigator was and the individuals at the Pima Department who changed their story and tried to seal everything at first, should resign, and that is just my opinion. We all make mistakes, some small, some really big and when you make one this big where everyone can see it, don't go try to hide for any amount of time because it really looks bad. You had the balls to make the decision to go in, have the balls to fess up when you screw up. If I've broken any rules by sharing how I feel, then so be it, I'm not into sugar coating a situation like this-this tragic incident has brought alot of emotions out of me. The main point of this thread again was to express my concern for Mr Guerena's family--I am angry but really I just feel for his kids and wife having to lose him to such an incident after he put his life on the line for this country.
 
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Not political--I'm sending my regards to his family since it is Memorial Day weekend.
 
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My thoughts and prayers to all innocent victims of state-sponsored murder, including Mr. Guerena and his family.
 
I don't pray but the story is equal parts heart breaking/enraging. Anyone not familiar with the story should familiarize themself with it because it will be interesting to follow moving forward. I have a lot of opinions on it but this forum isn't the place and I generally don't share those opinions on the internet.
 
No sure why this is here past the obvious... Wolfdad being a regular poster here, and this being a very sad turn of events, so I will warn folks to watch the politics and political statements...for example, "state sponsored murder". These types of statements and that discussion belongs elsewhere.

While it is a massive screw up at the very least that cost a man...a Marine his life and his family an irreplaceable loss, and although the Pina County Sheriff's Office is not exactly coming away smelling of roses and innocence in the details currently known, let's please leave the harsh and political statements out of a simple request; which was to offer up a prayer, smoke, thoughts, etc. for the Guerena family.
 
Jaxx, much appreciated to keep things straight. And,well the only reason I posted this here is because I don't even know about most of the other places to post on BF because I never post anywhere else except here-I've posted a few times in only two other manufacturer forums. Sorry bout that.:rolleyes: --caused by my inexperience.
 
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I do pray and I am. God bless those who have served, lost one who has served and may he avenge those who have been wronged.
 
makes me sick, most people with power abuse it. god keep care of this guys family, they need all they can get.




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I've been only a lurker lately, but this has drawn me out of my silence.

However, I feel obliged to pray for everyone involved- the soul of Mr Guerra, the family, the shooters, the investigators, and the individuals in charge.
May they all come to terms with what happened and find peace in the Lord.
 
Thank you for bringing this up, I had not heard about it before. This is outrageous! The police should be prosecuted for this "mistake".

Changing the story from being a drug dealer to robber because no drugs were found should lead to a few people being fired and whatever judge signed the warrant should "resign".

Here in Indianapolis we have had a few months of police acting like criminals or just stupid. Stories like this do not help reinforce the idea that police are in their jobs to protect and serve, but only to do whatever they want thinking they are above the law.

I hope justice is served.

'We were so worried when he was over there fighting terrorism, but he gets shot in his own home. The government killed one of their own', Ms Ortiz said.
 
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The initial information does not appear to support the entry in to the home, and if it is determined that the police exceeded their constitutional authority then those responsible should be held accountable in the criminal justice system. But it is worth remembering that we do not have all of the facts (we have almost no facts, actually) and time and again we see that the initial accounts are often 180 degrees out of phase with reality.

I hope the entry was lawful and that the police response was justified. But if that turns out not to be the case, it would also be my hope that those responsible end up in the same prison where they sought to put Guerena.
 
I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, AND FOR THE LAST TIME.
THIS THREAD WAS STARTED AS A REQUEST FOR PRAYERS, SMOKE, THOUGHTS, ETC. FOR THE GUERENA FAMILY.
STAY ON TOPIC...

IF you just have to comment on this incident, there is already a thread in the POLITICAL ARENA for that. Take it there.
 
please stay on topic folks--this is for his family. Jaxx, I guess I threw alot of stuff in there that maybe I shouldn't have-its shadowing the first and last part of my initial post. Lock this down if you have to-I understand if you do.:foot:
 
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please stay on topic folks--this is for his family. Jaxx, I guess I threw alot of stuff in there that maybe I shouldn't have-its shadowing the first and last part of my initial post. Lock this down if you have to-I understand if you do.:foot:
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Being the OP with a Gold membership, you have the power to lock this thread if you wish to. :)
I will do the honors if I have to...but I'm not there quite yet.
 
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