Press in Progress

T Blade

T Blade

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Finally getting to work on the press I've had hydraulics for, for the last year. The first pic is of the press body, which is made of 6"X 2"X 3/8" square tube for the uprights and W6X 25 I beam from the crossovers. The second pic is the welding/drawing dye's and are low carbon steel

http://groups.msn.com/BladeBlacksmithing/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=70

http://groups.msn.com/BladeBlacksmithing/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=71

I was going to use the frame from a press that I got from my father in law, but as the cross piece is 2' I was concerned with the deflection of the steel so I decided to just make a frame for it. The uprights are 48" and the crossovers is 12", this steel was purchaced from work for around $100, the dyes were made from steel that I got from the scrap bins at work. On the areas that will take the pressure I welded it at work, as they have serious welding equipment, the only pressure piece that I welded at home was the lower mount for the hydraulic piston. At home I only have a 220V AC buzz box, and I really hate welding with AC, but when the machine is free it's for me :D . At work I used flux core wire feeder at around 250 amps, at home I used 7018, 3/32" stick wire designed for AC. 18 series wire is usually DC, but using DC wire on and AC machine is a real pain in the A$$ :eek: .

I've built a table to set the press on which should put the dye around 40" high, the table will also carry the oil tank, pump, etc. The table will be mounted on wheels as everything in my garage/smithy has to be portable

As I see IG often I got the hydraulics that match his Big Bertha press, these parts are listed on Dan Gray's web page in his tutorial section.

I've still got to get the mount for the pump and the HYD lines for the press.

Hopefully I'll have this squiching steel in a couple of weeks

Larry T
 
Looooking good there BBBBBBBeaver.:D :D :thumbup:
When are you getting that Old Pan in the background running?????HEHEHEHE!!!
 
Your press is impressive. Have you looked at the "Machinery's Handbook"? In the future, this book will ease all worries as to how much pressure the steel can withstand. Do you have a higher quality picture of this press by any chance? Do you know what size hose, fittings, length, and pressure rating hose you need? What kind of pump are you using? Do you know the mount you need? I may have one laying around. What are you going to be stamping with this?

Once again, this press looks great. My website is:

http://www.phchydraulics.com

Please call if you have any hydraulics related issues with this system, I'd love to help.

Jeff Wheeler
 
Wow I like that. You made your ram guides a lot easier and simpler than I did. Nice work.
 
indian george said:
BBBBBBeaver :D :D :thumbup:
When are you getting that Old Pan in the background running?????HEHEHEHE!!!
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Wa..Wa..Wally, Wanna paint it? :D :thumbup: That's all it needs,,,,,and registration and insurance :eek:
 
Looking good. Only thing I see that I would change would be to add some gusseting to the ram plate between the guids and rams to help against twisting for and aft loadings. Probably not necisary, but then I like to over build stuf. No all you need to do is paint it and mount the hydrolics!:thumbup:
 
J. Keeton said:
Wow I like that. You made your ram guides a lot easier and simpler than I did. Nice work.
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Jimmy,

I copied that design from a press that my father-in-law gave me, the press that he gave me was used to test rebuilt hydraulic jacks that he worked on.

Larry T
 
Will52100 said:
Looking good. Only thing I see that I would change would be to add some gusseting to the ram plate between the guids and rams to help against twisting for and aft loadings. Probably not necisary, but then I like to over build stuf. No all you need to do is paint it and mount the hydrolics!:thumbup:
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Will,

I think that there is enough weld on the pad eyes to cover the pressures taht will be created in the press, (keeping my finger crossed on that one), if not I will add gussets.

The hydraulics are being are being created by a hydraulic shop in Coventry, RI. I'll pick them up and install them this week, then the electrics.


As far as paint,,,,,if I were to build and sell these presses, I would certainly paint them, but for my own use,,,,well I'm thinking about paint :eek:
 
indian george said:
:thumbup:
When are you getting that Old Pan in the background running?????HEHEHEHE!!!
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Wa,Wa,Wally, I'm serious about the paint. Since you showed me the new spay guns that you got,,,,well, it would be a good way to break them in,,,painting an old Pan Head :D

Larry T
 
T Blade said:
Wa,Wa,Wally, I'm serious about the paint. Since you showed me the new spay guns that you got,,,,well, it would be a good way to break them in,,,painting an old Pan Head :D

Larry T
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BBBBBB Beaver:jerkit: I could do it just to keep in practice. That will be allot of beer. You planning on doing all to prepping over here?? I may have some 3M Black left. Do you have the hinged fender for the back?????
What else did I give besides the 2 @ 90, 1 @ straight, 1 @ barb and the hose?? I am not worried about the hose, just bring back what you don't use.
 
Know the feeling on the paint, still haven't painted mine, it's got a nice patina on it though!:eek: Think if I didn't have to strip it down to get a good paint job I'd go ahead and paint it, realy don't like brushing up against hoses and controls and such.

Like I said, probably nothing to worry about, I tend to way over build. Try to outsmart Murphy ya know. Doesn't always work!:D
 
Will52100 said:
Know the feeling on the paint, still haven't painted mine, it's got a nice patina on it though!:eek: Think if I didn't have to strip it down to get a good paint job I'd go ahead and paint it, really don't like brushing up against hoses and controls and such.

Like I said, probably nothing to worry about, I tend to way over build. Try to outsmart Murphy ya know. Doesn't always work!:D
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HEHEHEHE!!! Will you turkey:confused: :confused: He is talking about the Panhead Harley. HEHEHEHEHE!!
BBBBB Beaver: In Fall River there is a Auto Supply Store that carries the House of Color paint.:thumbup:
 
After a year of intermittent work on the press, it's really coming together, today I'll get a wiring question answered by the maintainance man at work, and tonight,,,,or maybe tomorrow, I'll get the switch (on/off) wired, get the machine filled with hydraulic oil, and then start squishing steel.

http://groups.msn.com/BladeBlacksmithing/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=73
This shows a pretty good look at the front of the machine

http://groups.msn.com/BladeBlacksmithing/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=74

One question with this setup, as you can see, the suction line from tank to pump is looped to prevent any kinks or breaks forming on the line, will the loop, being higher than the tank give me problems priming the system with HYD fluid?

http://groups.msn.com/BladeBlacksmithing/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=75

A rear view of the press, I think the hydraulics fit pretty good.

http://groups.msn.com/BladeBlacksmithing/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=76

This is probably the most over engineered part of the press, the mounting plate for the on/off switch. All I had laying around was this 8" X8" X1/4" plate so I tacked it on. It weighs more than the switch :D

When all is said and done, I hope it works the way envisioned it to work, as in straight billets. :rolleyes:

Larry T
 
indian george said:
BBBBBB Beaver:jerkit: I could do it just to keep in practice. That will be allot of beer. You planning on doing all to prepping over here?? I may have some 3M Black left. Do you have the hinged fender for the back?????
What else did I give besides the 2 @ 90, 1 @ straight, 1 @ barb and the hose?? I am not worried about the hose, just bring back what you don't use.
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:confused: Wa..Wa..Wally, I meant "Will you do the complete paint job", of course I'll pay you cash, money, US dollars, plus beer,,,and not that cheap stuff that you usually buy :eek: . So what do ya say Wa..Wa..Wally, will ya do it? :D

Also, as far as the hydraulic components that I got from you last time I was over there. As this unit doesn't have any quick disconnects, the hydraulic guy set me up with some different components so I didn't use the 1/2" street elbows that I got from you, I did use the Tee, 3/4" barb, and the line, I think that is all, but I'll pay you for the whole lot.

Larry T
 
Looks good, nice and professional. Still say it needs a paint job, maybe some custom flames.:D

IG, I was talking about the press. May get around to doing mine one day, or not!:D
 
Well the press if finished and operatonal! :D The first thing that went into it was a piece of oak wood under the flatter dye. This put a lateral stress on the system and it immediately bent one of the guides. I torched it back into position and added these stiffiners http://groups.msn.com/BladeBlacksmithing/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=77 This worked out real well.

As the electric motor stalled when I adjusted the pressure up to 3000psi, I knew if I kept it like that, I'd burn out the motor is short order, so I lowered it to 2500 psi which did the trick.

I proceeded to make a cable billet which is basically welded with hammer and anvil then flattened with the press. I then started another pattern welded billet of 21 layers. Kinda ran out of time after the first weld, (had to spend some time with the wife). I'll get this billet up to around 180 layers, and forge it into a blade to use as a cutter at the next NECKA HI.

The next press I'll build will be for NECKA, and like this one it will be portable,,,,as portable as a 1/2 ton of steel can be :eek: . I even plan on painting the next one.

As the first one is done, I see the changes that will be made in future presses, i.e. closer tolerances in the guide area, a bigger table to set the press on, needed for the hydraulic components, namely the pump, and oil tank. This will be allow for these pieces to be totally enclosed within the table dimensions.

All in all, I'm very happy with this press :D .

Larry T
 
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