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Cr4ze_w0lfe

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I had my all black para 2 and felt some play so I went to tighten the pivot screw for the first time and found it impossible to move. My pivot stripped after trying to adjust and found red lactate :( has anyone else had this problem? And do you know how to get a replacement?
 
Not trying to bust your chops at all, but the 'lactate' typo nearly made me spew tea all over my phone.

More seriously, that's a really obnoxious issue. Did you get it from a private individual or from a reputable dealer? Either way, I would start by contacting them. Get a replacement or a refund if possible, as I don't think it's acceptable to ship a knife that way without explicitly warning you what you're getting into. If you get nothing there you can try contacting Spyderco, but I doubt they shipped the knife that way. Hope this gets resolved.
 
Spyderco will deffinately send you the replacement pivot but are you able to get the old one out?

Can you force a larger size torx or hex bit in it to remove it? Can you dremil a slot for a screw driver? Like I said gettin the replacement isn't a problem, its removing the red "lactate" [lol] that's the issue.


Can't you just send it back?
 
Haha, I didn't see that typo xD and I know I've had lots of spydercos and no red loctite. And the weirdest thing is that its only that one pivot screw all the rest are blue. And no it was brand new, the screw won't even budge. I'll use hot wait and a hair dryer, thanks for the help guys.
 
Please confirm that you used the correct size Torx on the screw and not an allen wrench.

If the screw won't move then how do you know it has red loctited on it?
 
I used my torx bit and its the right sized cause it unscrewed the other pivot. I found out it had red loctite when I took the knife apart and looked and saw the red loctite through the opposite side of the pivot. Its kinda hard to explain.
bdmicarta said:
Please confirm that you used the correct size Torx on the screw and not an allen wrench.

If the screw won't move then how do you know it has red loctited on it?
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wOlfe, you can send it back to Spyderco and get it fixed. You violated the warranty though so it might cost you some money. Likely not much. E-mail them at W&R and find out details. They are all supposed to be locktited and this does come up often.

Telling you that you can return it, they shouldn't be shipped like that are examples of people telling you what they think you want to hear. Telling someone what they want to hear and not the truth doesn't help that person. The bitterest truth or the sweetest lie one. Which is better?

From Kristi at Spyderco:

Disassembling a Spyderco voids the warranty. Period. There was a question about this being a "myth". It is not a myth. It does not matter if you don't break anything when you do it. If we can tell that a knife has been disassembled (whether it's a FrankenSpyder or not) the warranty is technically void. We manufacture knives with all screw construction not because we want you to take them apart. We do so, so our Crew can take them apart for maintenance and repair. I'm sure there might be some other questions, but bottom line, if you take your knife apart, the warranty is void.

Every item that is sent in to W&R is evaluated individually and on a case by case basis. Every situation is different. We will always handle W&R issues in a fair and proper way. But it's important to understand the warranty as we state it, not as it's interpreted by others. There are a lot of great, knowledgeable, helpful people on our Forum. However, they cannot make a judgment on a Warranty issue. Only we can and we can only do that by having the knife in question in our hands.
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The Mastiff said:
wOlfe, you can send it back to Spyderco and get it fixed. You violated the warranty though so it might cost you some money. Likely not much. E-mail them at W&R and find out details. They are all supposed to be locktited and this does come up often.

Telling you that you can return it, they shouldn't be shipped like that are examples of people telling you what they think you want to hear. Telling someone what they want to hear and not the truth doesn't help that person. The bitterest truth or the sweetest lie one. Which is better?
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Is adjusting your pivot considered dis-assembly though? It doesn't sound like he took the knife apart, only removed the pivot screw after experiencing a problem tightening it. I guess I'm curious what the threshold is that constitutes dis-assembly or not? Does removing the pocket clip void the warranty for example?
 
Syncharmony said:
Is adjusting your pivot considered dis-assembly though? It doesn't sound like he took the knife apart, only removed the pivot screw after experiencing a problem tightening it. I guess I'm curious what the threshold is that constitutes dis-assembly or not? Does removing the pocket clip void the warranty for example?
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Not unless you mess the knife up in the process. Thread locker, or no thread locker, the PM2 has a stepped pivot. So it's likely that the screw was already in as far as it would go and possible that the screw head got damaged by attempting to tighten it more. If the pivot screw had loosened, creating blade play, then whatever thread locker Spyderco had used was obviously no longer working and should not have prevented it from turning in either direction.
 
One of the best tricks I ever found for red locktite is a can of freeze-off wart remover (this product just recently became OTC).

It works on the same idea as heating it but the difference is much higher.

The wart remover will have a Q-tip like applicator that you saturate with the compressed refridgerent, follow the instructions like your removing a wart as far as "loading up" the tip then touch it to the pivot screw (NOT the pivot its self, the goal is to shrink the screw and "shock" the locktite's bond free). You can repeat (I've found 5 times to be most effective) puttin it in your pocket or on a lamp to heat it back up to room temp in between.

Once you've done it several times if you can force th next larger torx or hex bit in do that, otherwise just use a sharp chisel and a hammer to turn it out. If you need to hammer it out wih a chisel use super glue on the body's end to hold it for you (glue it to the scale, its easy to get off dont worrie).

Like I said I'm sure spyderco will send you a pivot.
 
Mr. Killer,
It is probably wise, if you do not know, to determine the mechanical aptitude of the mentally unstable wolf. The idea of someone pounding away with a hammer and gluing the knife together is not what Spyderco prefers. The warranty is void so that isn't of much importance. Spyderco should be able to fix it cheap, but don't forget the time to ship/fix.



If the OP is "handy" in the shop then I'm not sure why he posted about what to do. However, I would probably post here for ideas...
If the OP isn't a shop pro then should he be using tools of mass destruction?


PS : "red lactate" " Its kinda hard to explain." These are not statements that inspire confidence in home knife repair. Cr4ze_w0lfe, I mean nothing towards you. Please don't think I'm trying to humiliating you. My goal is to prevent undue damage to that awesome knife.
 
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