problems shipping knives...

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Hey guys :-)

I was trying to buy a MT Vector MANUAL, and when I asked the seller for shipping charges using DHL, here's his answer:

"Just got off the phone with DHL and they won't ship the item to you, it's a 'military item' they don't want to take"

Anyone knows whay is this? My guess is that some stupid customer service rep gave him this because s/he didn't want to ask his/her supervisor.

As far as I know, as long as you pack the sharpen objects carefully its OK to send them, but then again, reading around the forums I learned that I can't ship autos to the US...

Any ideas? shipping was asked from the US to Argentina

bye! :-)
 
I am not sure how to help you. It seems that many companies have a rule against accepting knives for shipment. I was told by UPS and Canada Post that because of safety concerns for their employees shipping knives via them was verboten. Even though I was told this, I have never had either company not accept knives from me for shipment or refuse to deliver them to me. Very peculiar.

Your best bet is to check with all your international shipping companies and check which ones will allow you to send knives, then use one of those companies.
 
I recently shipped an item thru UPS, and they asked what was in the package. It wasn't knife related, but I was intentionally vague on what I was shipping because I felt it was none of their business. Does UPS or any other (i.e. FedEx, USPS) open or inspect in any other way what they ship?
Concerned and mildly annoyed,

Mongo
 
If you ship a package internationaly, the customs at the inbound country can ask the carrier to open the package for inspection.

This proberbly happens with about 1 in 6 of the packages I receive. This does not just apply to knives and before anybody says anything about me being in the UK, I have known packages to the US to be opened for inspection at that end.

I have never known of packages being opened for inspection on domestic shiping.

Regards,

Ed
 
Since the Anthrax thingy, all packages sent through DHL from Argentina to the US (I imagine that this would apply to all other contries, but this is what happned to me), had to be made in DHLs locations or have the package ready and close it after the pick up guy inspected it... even with plain envelopes sending sheets of paper... I found it very annoying, since I conseder my privacy for real, but what can you do...? nothing :-O

nestor
 
Does UPS or any other (i.e. FedEx, USPS) open or inspect in any other way what they ship?

Except in case of obvious emergency (a package with smoke coming out of it or some such thing), it is illegal for anyone except a Postal Inspector to open US Mail and they can do so only with a warrant.

I have noticed, though, that USPS is now asking about the contents of packages they accept. I recently tried to mail a box containing two bottles of wine. It was refused. Why? "Alcohol is flamable." I tried to explain that wine is nominally 7% Alcohol and not flamable or explosive. But, they wouldn't budge. So, I offered my second package. That one, I explained, was much more hazardous than the previous one since it contained two photographs printed on flamable paper. But, if those pictures were to catch fire, you could pour the wine on them and put the fire out. They accepted the box with the photographs.

UPS, is a very different story. A couple of years ago now, there was a post here on BF.C from a member complaining that the UPS clerk had, right in front of him, opened his outgoing package, unpacked it, inspected the contents, and then repacked it and taped it up.

I was shocked. I couldn't believe it. Now, I'm no friend of UPS, but I hate seeing a company trashed for something so obviously not true. So, I e-mailed UPS Customer Service asking them to respond.

The response shocked me. The response was, "Yes, we're not quite there yet, but our goal is to open and inspect 100% of packages accepted from individual shippers."

I replied and asked why they would do such a thing. The answer was to protect their employees from hazardous package contents.

I replied asking them to, without going into detail, cite some examples of how package content had endangered their employees. I also asked them to comment on why they felt that they were getting all of the dangerous packages since none of their competition seems to feel that this is enough of a problem to warrant such inspections.

The reply was that they would not discuss specific cases because of employee confidentiality and that they could not comment on the policies of other carriers.

About this same time, another person posted that UPS had decided not to ship firearms anymore. Well, I figured that this was some sort of political thing, so I e-mailed 'em complaining. They replied that the poster was wrong. They would still accept firearms, but only in their more expensive, faster, "Blue Label" service, not in the less expensive "Brown Label" service. That makes no sense. If the reason is political, then that policy just upsets everyone. If the reason is safety, then this policy also makes no sense. Why would guns be any less save in the Brown Label service than the Blue?

So, I asked them to explain why. The reply is that they'd had to much trouble with employee theft of guns from the Brown Label service. The faster, Blue Label service is handeled less and tracked closer, so they have less problem with theft from it.

Instead of trying to deal with their own employees stealing customer's property, UPS's solution was to pass the problem, and the cost, onto their customers by requiring them to use Blue Label. Cute.

I combined the two ongoing discussions together and asked UPS if they felt that there might be a relationship between employees inspecting the contents of packages and employees stealing the contents of packages? The response was, "We've forwarded your comments on for further consideration."

Since then, I've talked to a former UPS employee who confirmed my theory. The clerks don't steal anything. There are to many eyes watching them. But, what they do is somehow mark the package, a little extra pen mark, even just an extra crease in the packing tape. The folks in the back, who are sorting and loading the boxes, watch for those marks and, if they feel that the moment is right, the boss isn't looking, etc., they open the package, remove the contents, tape it back up, and send it on its way. The clerk gets his percentage later.

The vast majority of packages do not contain anything worth risking one's job over. There's not a big market for a stolen box of grandma's homemade cookies. So, on the average, workers are much better off sorting and loading the packages just like they're supposed to and accepting their paycheck at the end of the week than trying to steal stuff out of the packages. But, if you change that average by allowing workers to look through the packages and determine which ones are ripe for theft, you're gonna suddenly have a big problem.

Grudgingly, I took my box of wine to UPS and they accepted it without asking or opening.
 
Originally posted by Gollnick


Except in case of obvious emergency (a package with smoke coming out of it or some such thing), it is illegal for anyone except a Postal Inspector to open US Mail and they can do so only with a warrant.

I have noticed, though, that USPS is now asking about the contents of packages they accept. I recently tried to mail a box containing two bottles of wine. It was refused. Why? "Alcohol is flamable." I tried to explain that wine is nominally 7% Alcohol and not flamable or explosive. But, they wouldn't budge. So, I offered my second package. That one, I explained, was much more hazardous than the previous one since it contained two photographs printed on flamable paper. But, if those pictures were to catch fire, you could pour the wine on them and put the fire out. They accepted the box with the photographs.


USPS’s primary carriers by air are the airlines so what can be shipped by air is most often determined by the FAA or the carriers themselves, not the USPS. This includes anything with an alcohol or flammable base including not only beverages but such things as certain cosmetics. What I don’t understand is that the cosmetics (ORM-D class by DOT) can be shipped by surface via USPS but alcoholic beverages are sill a no go.

Window clerks were always suppose to ask if a package contained anything “Fragile, liquid, or perishable” in order to make sure that if the answer is “yes” then the package will receive the proper labeling and handling. Since the anthrax scare the question has been modified to include “potentially hazardous”. In the past they were also suppose to shake the package to make sure the contents were secure but they are now instructed not to do that in case it contains anthrax or explosives. There are other shipping requirements that must be met due to changes in FAA regulations, some of which go back to the Unabomber.

The right of customs officers to open packages varies from country to country. Not all countries have laws safeguarding the sanctity of the mail or privacy rights. Also, in the USA, things imported by private carrier are not considered mail and so they don’t fall under the mail statutes regarding privacy and sanctity but there may be separate laws covering that, I don’t know.

In Argentina customs can only open packages with the sender’s permission or with the recipient present. They recommend the sender include this permission on the customs forms in case they want to inspect it or they will hold the package and request the recipient to appear so they can open it. A lot of countries don’t regard packages as mail and will open anything they want. In fact, most European postal services no longer deliver packages but have contracted that to the British Postal Service which has privatized and taken over the parcel post service in a lot of Europe.

Based on what I read on one of the gun forums the last straw for UPS was when a shipment of Glocks destined for a Sheriff’s department in Arizona went missing. The most common way of stealing firearms was for an employee to cover the original shipping label with one to a different address.
 
Originally posted by Bead


USPS’s primary carriers by air are the airlines so what can be shipped by air is most often determined by the FAA or the carriers themselves, not the USPS. This includes anything with an alcohol or flammable base including not only beverages but such things as certain cosmetics.
Now, I'm not trying to be a smartass or anything (it just comes naturally...:D), but if they don't allow anything with alcohol, then howcome you can get those little liquor bottle thingies to drink on the planes. Or can you not do that anymore? It's been awhile since I've flown anywhere...

-Z
 
Gollnick, that second paragraph is killing me...LOL

Also, if the UPS heirarchy would pay loaders a decent wage and quit lining their pockets, the workers might have an incentive not to steal. It is true that UPS hires a lot of part-timers, so they don't have to pay union wages and benefits and so much for the last UPS strike. Big D1
 
Get this:

I walk into my local US Postal Office to send off a large, expensive folding knife. Lady behind the counter says:
"What are you mailing?"
I say "A knife".
"Can I see it?"
"Sure"
(I pull it out and open it with a Thwack!)
"Neat!"
"Need insurance?"
"Yep. $500."
She packs it for me into a Priority Mail box and away it goes!

No hassle, no crap. I've sent 10 or so knives out of the local post office and try to get her at the counter every time. So far, so good.
 
Pen's right priority mail, no one's ever asked what was in it, just if I wanted it insured. Sometimes too much info is the wrong way to go, and never write any indication of a knife being in the package, on the package, that's like writing steal me on the box.;)
 
. I've sent 10 or so knives out of the local post office and try to get her at the counter every time. So far, so good.
I have been having excellent results with USPS priority mail. It is even a handy alternative to 'Pay Pal'. I buy a postal money order and send it out priority mail. The seller usually gets it in three business days. Delivery confirmation is included free with priority mail.

-+-EDIT on June 25, 2002-+-
I was mistaken about the "delivery confirmation is included free with priority mail". Doh. :rolleyes:
 
My two favorites are USPS Express Post and FedEx 2nd day.I have shipped and received alot of packages from these two carriers and never had a problem.USPS takes about 5 buisness days to Canada,FedEx can have it here in less than 48 hours but costs about twice as much.
 
I must be going to the wrong Post Office...they always charge me for delivery confirmation...

Maybe they were running a special last month? I'll pay more attention to the total next time.
 
ZENGHOST: I agree about the liquor bottles. They also allow cosmetics on passengers and in their luggage, as far as I know. At least they didn’t make me take my after shave out of my luggage last time I flew. :confused: I think their concern is what’s in the cargo hold but isn’t that where luggage is? Oh well, the FAA doesn’t have to make sense, do they!

If you go to the USPS WEB site and print out your shipping label from the site you can get free Delivery Confirmation. But please don’t ask me for the URL, they seem to move it from time to time and so you have to hunt around on the WEB site for it!


Big D1: Right On.


At the facility I use to work at two of the local gun dealers started using us to ship handguns after the UPS thing. I spend a lot of time (and money) at one of their store/range and it was fun to have him come in so we could talk about the goodies he was sending off to custom gun smiths. We also mailed a ton of knives for a knife shop nearby.
 
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