Problems with customer folder – should I reach out to the maker?

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hi folks,

I've been collecting knives for about the last year, so I'm still new at this.

A couple of months ago I put a beautiful custom knife on layaway with a reputable online knife shop. The knife shop purchased the knife directly from the custom maker at a knife show this past fall. Last week I paid off the knife, and had it sent to me.

I'm hesitant to name the maker, because I don't want this to turn into a complaint or bashing thread... However I will say that he has been making knives for 30 years, has an excellent reputation, and, while not as well-known as some other makers, is extremely skilled. He also resides in a country outside of the United States, which adds to my problem:

When I received the knife, I noticed a few small imperfections:
1. There is a dis-colored spot on one of the anodize liners (a different anodizing color) that looks like it's original to the knife.
2. On one of the custom engraved bolsters, there is a very small but deep scratch (less than a millimeter). Because the scratch is blackened like the relief on the engraving, it leads me to believe that it occurred at the makers shop.
3. The titanium pocket clip has a rough area that shows tool marks which apparently were not polished out when the knife was completed.

Then there are a couple of larger concerns:
1. The blade folds on an IKBS ball bearing system. While it fires and locks up like a dream, when folded the blade is loose and will rattle in the handle. This is the first knife that I have owned which uses the IKBS system – is it normal for the blade to rattle back-and-forth against the liners when the knife is folded?
2. The edge of the blade was covered with burrs from the tip to the ricasso. I stropped it thoroughly on a leather belt, which removed most of the burrs, but the blade is still not sharp enough even to cut paper. It appears as though the final stage of blade sharpening was never completed at the makers shop.

So here's my conundrum: since I did not purchase the knife directly from the custom maker, do I have the right to reach out to him? It seems clear to me that none of the problems with the knife happened at the retail shop which sold it to me… They only took it out to take pictures to post on their website. It seems very clear that I am the first owner.

I could live with the first three items, since I don't expect a knife to be flawless, even from a custom maker… However, the last two items are real problems for me. While the knife was expensive, I did not buy it for display only. I carry my knives every day, and need them to work as they should.

It would be expensive for me to ship it to the maker, since he is overseas… But I am hesitant to have it sharpened by someone local, lest they screw it up.

So, what would you do?

Thanks in advance for any advice or suggestions you may be able to provide. Although I am new to this community, I have been impressed with the way that folks help each other out from the top knife makers in the world down to the newest collectors.
 
I'd contact the maker
 
Did the retail shop offer any warranties on the product? If it's defects in workmanship they should get a new one for you or take it upon themselves to send it back to the maker and get it fixed, if they didn't notice it when they bought it. I'm not entirely opposed to reaching out to the maker, but I just feel like the retailer should have caught it and if they didn't, should warranty it. They might get a faster response from the maker as well because they have higher purchasing power, and they'll pick up the shipping tab. After all, their reputation is on the line now too as being a shop that doesn't pay attention to what they buy and they should get the opportunity to correct it themselves.

In other words, if you buy a tool from Home Depot and it's broken out of the box, do you take it back to the retailer or do you call DeWalt?
 
Return it and pick another knife from the retailer.

Let the retailer take the risk of sending the blade overseas.
 
Return it and pick another knife from the retailer.

Let the retailer take the risk of sending the blade overseas.

I agree. You bought the knife from the retailer. They should be the first to know that the product they sell has flaws. They should be the ones to handle the contact with the maker.
Had you bought it directly from the maker, then you should have reached out to him.

Brian
 
Many online purveyors sell subject to an inspection period for just this reason. If your dealer did, and if you are still within that window, then personally I would just send it back - especially since the maker is overseas. Failing that, I do not see anything wrong with very politely contacting the maker and explaining the issues you have and inquiring if he would be willing to take a look and correct anything he believes should be corrected.

Good luck! And if you don't mind, maybe come back and let us all know what you decided to do and how it all turned out for you.
 
Return it and pick another knife from the retailer.

Let the retailer take the risk of sending the blade overseas.

Adam makes a great point.
 
Many online purveyors sell subject to an inspection period for just this reason. If your dealer did, and if you are still within that window, then personally I would just send it back - especially since the maker is overseas. Failing that, I do not see anything wrong with very politely contacting the maker and explaining the issues you have and inquiring if he would be willing to take a look and correct anything he believes should be corrected.

Good luck! And if you don't mind, maybe come back and let us all know what you decided to do and how it all turned out for you.

Ditto on all of the above.
 
I'm going to disagree here. I think these are problems that need to be addressed to the maker. Here is my reasoning.....

My family owns a hardware store. In this hardware store is a nice sporting goods section, we sell firearms from manufacturers. While not CUSTOM rifles, they are still made by a company, we are just the retailer. When someone buys a rifle, and there is a functional problem with the firearm......it is not up to us to replace or fix the issue. It is between the person who bought the gun and the manufacturer. We would be happy to assist in shipping and logistical issues....but it's not up to the retailer to fix a manufacturer's flaws. If, say, we noticed a certain brand was constantly having problems, we as a retailer would not carry the product.

Contact the maker of the knife. The retailer was just a transfer medium....a middle man. It's not their responsibility. I would let them know of the problem, so they can be aware of future possible issues, and decide if they still want to carry this product. But this is all up to the maker to make right....not the retailer.
 
The purveyor will be your best choice for returning the knife, and with the issues you have you will probably not be charge the 'restocking fee' (aka window shopper's tax)

If you would like the maker to work on the knife I would contact the maker directly. Some purveyors might play middle-man, but sometimes it's like trying to have a phone conversation with a person in the middle, phone in each ear, relaying what is said.

The bottom line is to contact the retailer and see if they are willing to accept the responsibility/liability of making the repairs happen; or if they would rather you a.) return the knife and move on or b.) keep it and deal with the maker yourself.


-Michael
 
Update: the retail store has a 5 day return policy, with a 15% restocking fee. I emailed them yesterday (day 4) to explain that I was returning the knife, and why. Last night the owner emailed me to say that, if all these things are wrong with the knife, they will return it to the maker and have him make me another. Assuming they will cover my cost to ship it back to their store, I find this an acceptable solution. The only down side: the maker has a 12-month waiting list. Hopefully he will agree to make a replacement sooner than that. If the store had refused, I was prepared to contact the maker directly, but now it appears I won't have to. Thanks, all, for your advice - it was very helpful!!!
 
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