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production 6 with a wave!!!!!
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The CQC-6 has the distinction of not having a production counterpart and for my part, I would like to leave it that way so when you say use are using a 6, there is no question that it is a custom emerson!
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memnoch you SOB. I got excited seeing that heading, I thought you were gonna tell us that Emerson was manufacturing a waved 6 !!
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Ok, now that my blood pressure is back down..I would agree...leave the customs as their original designs and let the new designs from Ernies mind be done through the production company. This would prevent the confussion that the CQC-7's usually cause.
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There is an obvious way around this, just make all production 6's with a wave. Then the difference between the production and custom models will be clear.
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I have to go with the crowd on this one. I personally would like to see the CQC6 line left pure.
There are enough out there that if someone were really motivated to own one and patient, they could have a real Six.
I did however like the idea of a waved Eight production model.
John
There are enough out there that if someone were really motivated to own one and patient, they could have a real Six.
I did however like the idea of a waved Eight production model.
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I'm with John on both the -6 remaining custom, and the introduction of a waved production -8. I LOVE the -8's design, but can't afford the $1000+ price tag...
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Speaking of CQC6s being readily available:
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Absolutely correct, users can purchase either the CQC7 or Commander, which are both close copies of actual custom pieces. It appears that the both the CQC7 and Commander have sold much better than either the Raven or Mach 1 knives (this true Derek?). Have to wonder is that because the CQC7 and Commander are modeled after customs or they are just better designs for the average user. Tough call, and probably something that we'll never know short of a poll administered to buyers.
I equate what Emerson Knives is going through now with what Kimber did for .45 government model pistols. Kimber decided to dramatically raise the bar for production 1911 style pistols, making them to far high tolerances and with features that almost every user wanted, recessed ejection port, beavertail safety, adjustable trigger stops, commander style hammer, tight bushings, etc. A lot of local pistolsmiths, even the big boys like Les baer, Wilson, Ed Brown, saw their business cut dramatically. Few shooters can actually hold a custom 1911 to its accuracy potential, so what is the difference between 1.5 inch groups and 2.5? Roughly 1500 to 2000 dollars between a kimber and a big name custom 1911. My local gunsmith has sold more kimbers in the last few years than he has modified 1911's in his entire career.
Emerson, to his credit in my opinion, realized he could get knives of his design and of superior quality to the general public for dramatically less than his custom pieces cost directly from him or on the secondary market. Personally, I think some custom Emerson owners are worried about depreciation of their knives. Knives flucuate almost as much as the NYSE. Emerson's termination of custom orders should actually make custom owners estatic, since there is probably little chance of more customs being released after Emerson clears his current back log of orders.
So why the desire to keep the CQC6 line pure?
Having owned a CQC6, I understand the pull of the knife completely, but I'd have no problem seeing production versions. My biggest gripe about the CQC6s lately is that they aren't single bevel anymore, but that's a different rant for another thread.
Anyway, guess I just really appreciate the direction in which Emerson decided to take his obvious skills, for the many, rather than the few. By the way, I'd much rather see a waved CQC8 than a production 6 any day!
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I equate what Emerson Knives is going through now with what Kimber did for .45 government model pistols. Kimber decided to dramatically raise the bar for production 1911 style pistols, making them to far high tolerances and with features that almost every user wanted, recessed ejection port, beavertail safety, adjustable trigger stops, commander style hammer, tight bushings, etc. A lot of local pistolsmiths, even the big boys like Les baer, Wilson, Ed Brown, saw their business cut dramatically. Few shooters can actually hold a custom 1911 to its accuracy potential, so what is the difference between 1.5 inch groups and 2.5? Roughly 1500 to 2000 dollars between a kimber and a big name custom 1911. My local gunsmith has sold more kimbers in the last few years than he has modified 1911's in his entire career.
Emerson, to his credit in my opinion, realized he could get knives of his design and of superior quality to the general public for dramatically less than his custom pieces cost directly from him or on the secondary market. Personally, I think some custom Emerson owners are worried about depreciation of their knives. Knives flucuate almost as much as the NYSE. Emerson's termination of custom orders should actually make custom owners estatic, since there is probably little chance of more customs being released after Emerson clears his current back log of orders.
So why the desire to keep the CQC6 line pure?
Having owned a CQC6, I understand the pull of the knife completely, but I'd have no problem seeing production versions. My biggest gripe about the CQC6s lately is that they aren't single bevel anymore, but that's a different rant for another thread.
Anyway, guess I just really appreciate the direction in which Emerson decided to take his obvious skills, for the many, rather than the few. By the way, I'd much rather see a waved CQC8 than a production 6 any day!
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chrisJohn
You make many good points.
Why keep the CQC6 pure. Well . . . again, this is just my opinion . . . the CQC6 is probably the most recognized Emerson Custom. When you mention Ernie's custom knives, the CQC6 always comes up. It's recognized as the custom piece. I think it should remain that way.
Anyone buying knives as an investment is making a mistake. There again, anyone playing the stockmarket lately is making a mistake as well.
Production models of knives don't really effect customs prices and when they do, they cause custom prices to increase, not decrease. As an example, I don't see ES1-M or CQC7 prices plummeting, despite record sales of the production counterparts.
I've received a couple of emails that were concerned about the C/P line coming out soon, but there again, it's a complement to the customs, not a replacement. I think "Custom Production" would be better described as "Individualized Production". Your basically building an individualized production knife, ala cart, from production parts. Great idea, but certainly not a replacement for a custom, handmade knife from the man himself.
There are plenty of other custom makers that have designed production pieces and I don't see their wait times for customs or prices dropping. Little known folks like Walker, Elishewitz, Moran, Pardue, Ryan, Lightfoot, Crawford, Onion, ect, ect.
If EKI decides to make a production CQC6, it can only help make more knife owners that would want to own the real thing.
Again, just my opinion.
John
You make many good points.
Why keep the CQC6 pure. Well . . . again, this is just my opinion . . . the CQC6 is probably the most recognized Emerson Custom. When you mention Ernie's custom knives, the CQC6 always comes up. It's recognized as the custom piece. I think it should remain that way.
Anyone buying knives as an investment is making a mistake. There again, anyone playing the stockmarket lately is making a mistake as well.
Production models of knives don't really effect customs prices and when they do, they cause custom prices to increase, not decrease. As an example, I don't see ES1-M or CQC7 prices plummeting, despite record sales of the production counterparts.
I've received a couple of emails that were concerned about the C/P line coming out soon, but there again, it's a complement to the customs, not a replacement. I think "Custom Production" would be better described as "Individualized Production". Your basically building an individualized production knife, ala cart, from production parts. Great idea, but certainly not a replacement for a custom, handmade knife from the man himself.
There are plenty of other custom makers that have designed production pieces and I don't see their wait times for customs or prices dropping. Little known folks like Walker, Elishewitz, Moran, Pardue, Ryan, Lightfoot, Crawford, Onion, ect, ect.
If EKI decides to make a production CQC6, it can only help make more knife owners that would want to own the real thing.
Again, just my opinion.
John