Proto Survival Knife

We finally have the new survival knife up at http://www.jungletraining.com/laser.htm This is just a prototype and the handles will be changed to contoured Linen Micarta. Profile, full flat grind, and black color will remain exactly as pictured. Steel will be high-carbon. Overall length is 10 inches with 5 inches of edge. We're still working on a cost for the piece.

This particular piece was built by Ed Schott. Matt Lamey is also doing a version and we will be offering custom models from him also.

Production models should begin in about 3 to 4 months. We have a well known name in the survival/tactical knife business that will be producing these. All profiles will be laser cut. Comes with Kydex sheath and Ferrocium rod attached to the sheath.

Jeff

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jeff@jungletraining.com
 
Good looking knife you've got there; a good sturdy, no nonsense tool. I think you'll be very successful with it.
 
SammyB

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Wouldn't using linen micarta as a spindle holder eat the crap out of your handle?

Just wondering.

-Sam
 
Very nice Jeff. IMHO, the perfect size for a "survival" knife. How thick is the original stock?

Just one design suggestion, FWIW. I think an exposed tang is preferabe for using the butt end for hammering. Less likely to damage the scales.
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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman

[This message has been edited by Hoodoo (edited 06-09-2000).]
 
Hoodoo, forgive the bad photo but there is an exposed tang. The changes that will be made is to expose it just a wee bit more, add some contour to the handles instead of flat scales and switch to Micarta. The thickness is 3/16" at the spine. The full flat grind on Ed's proto will cut 3/4" Manilla rope like cutting butter. Actually the edge is just a little thinner on this proto than the production pieces will be. Although I love the slicing qualities that Ed has in this 01 proto, I'm going to build in a little more edge toughness on the production pieces. Don't worry though, this thing is still going to be one of the best slicers on the market since I'm a sucker for cutting efficiency. Production material will be 1095.

I've been playing around with Micarta on bow drills. It does 'grab' a little more than bone or steel, but it works and we are thinking about doing some modifications to help with this. Spitting in the hole does wonders
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The oil off the end of your nose works to if you have oily skin. Never fear it will start a fire if you get a horseweed or dry buckeye spindle, a pawpaw fireboard, and a green bow with your boot lace as a bow string.

The main reason I'm sticking with Micarta is its gripping power when wet.

Jeff

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jeff@jungletraining.com
 
Outstanding Jeff! Sounds like very wise choices to me. Can't wait to see the production model. 3/16 seems ideal for thickness, given the shape of the blade. This is going to be one fantastic survival knife!

Two more questions. How will the Ferrocium rod be held? Will it be simply a friction fit? And what will be the size of the rod?

Thanks,



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Hoodoo

The low, hoarse purr of the whirling stone—the light-press’d blade,
Diffusing, dropping, sideways-darting, in tiny showers of gold,
Sparkles from the wheel.

Walt Whitman
 
Nice knife!!!

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Big-Target>>>>>I'm not called that because I'm an anorexic midget!!!
 
Greg,

Does the handle have a spindle holder (divot) on both sides? If a lefty uses it, they would like to point the edge of the blade away from the you.

Nice lookin' blade, though.

My $.02.

Mike
 
That's cool, and the blade shape is excellent, without goofy notches, and misc. add ons...

--dan

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The blacksmith and the artist reflect it in their art...They forge their creativity closer to the heart...

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Looks good, Jeff, But where is the saw toothed back? Where did you hide the compass?
 
Jeff, in :

The Laser Strikes exposed handle back-strap is specially heat treated to produce sparks from natural flint.
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What does "specially heat treated" mean? Made really hard?

Nice looking blade, easy to know that Ed Schott ground it.

-Cliff
 
Jeff,

Nice knife. I made myself a leather sheath for my little knife that incorporates a ferrocerium rod. If I would have known that you were doing it up proper I might have waited.

I read somewhere about an old trick to reduce the friction on your divot. If you extend the hole through the slab to the tang, the spindle will spin on the bare metal, with significantly less friction.
 
Jeff,

Congrats!!
Looks like you have designed another no-nonsense purpose driven blade. Let us know what the price will be. Maybe this time we can get you to actually put your name on the blade. I know your not in it for the notoriety, but us consumers would at least like to see "Randall" on the blade. How about "Randall Designed"? Of course those "other Randalls" (you know the ones in Florida) might not like that. That means you will have to put your full blown Randall's Training and Adventure logo on the knife. How about it guys? If enough of you ask, he just might do it.

Jim
 
Cliff, a couple of things are required to make a knife, or other steel, produce sufficient sparks for true flint and steel: carbon steel and carburization of the striking surface to bring the carbon levels up.

Howard, you and I are on the same track with the divot thing. I have played around with linen micarta on the divot and built several fires using it. It does get hot but will not burn or screw up the handle. It just leaves some slick spots in the divot. Either way we go on production will serve the purpose. This is an emergency fire starting feature that works and actually fun to play with.

Jim, my name will not be on the blade, but we do plan to have our logo on there, along with knife name and the makers name. One of the main reasons I don't want my name on any blade is the confusion it may cause with Randall Knives. Although I don't think any legal measures would prevent me from using my own name, out of courtesy I refuse to do so, also I don't want anyone that doesn't fully understand the difference to think they are buying a 'Randall' when they're buying our blade.

Michael, no relation that I know of, but I'm sure somewhere we're 'branch kin,' or 'cotton patch cousins.' I've been a fan of Randall Knives since I was old enough to know there was such a thing. I own a nice 14 and even had them etch my name it just becuase of the coincidence.

Off to Peru on Saturday to work with the military survival school and then do some operations with the police and task force guys in Tarapoto. Hauling Jerry VanCook and Newt Livesay with me on this one, and also a camera crew for the Travel Channel. Will catch up with you after I return first week of July.

Take care,

Jeff

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jeff@jungletraining.com
 
Concerning wear in the divot, why not put a thin band of Talonite inside it. Talonite is very slick and should allow a smooth spin. It also has a very high wear resistance so it should last basically forever. As another plus Talonite is very "hot" right now so it would be a selling point.

-Cliff
 
OK guys, I'll bite!!! Who is making the production model of that knife????

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Big-Target>>>>>I'm not called that because I'm an anorexic midget!!!
 
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