Prototype, concept & sprint run discussion thread!

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(I'm amazed that somebody hasn't already started one of these.)

There hasn't been a huge amount of discussion here on the topic, but Spyderco showed off a ton of new models at Blade and SHOT. A lot of them are really, really cool. (Well, they're all cool, but some of them are especially cool :p) I'm sure that a lot of you would feel the same way, if you knew about them. Spyderco's prohibition on pictures makes that last part more difficult than it could be, but I think there's enough information out there to have a decent discussion on the topic. And so, to that end, here's everything I've been able to find on the matter thus far. I thought about just linking to threads these quotes are coming from, but figured people would be too lazy to follow them, and I've got too much spare time on my hands anyhow.

Quoted from this thread and page, all credit to phillipsted and Pinetreebbs:

phillipsted said:
OK - I spent about an hour hanging out at the Spyderco case today. I was in Spydie Heaven. The Spydie Crew were fantastic, as ususal - and freely passed around the concepts, prototypes, and pre-production models - telling stories about the knives, their development and collaborators. Great great great stuff.

Although, pictures of the prototype case were prohibited, Joyce said that it was OK for me to take notes. (Yay!) As Evil already pointed out - I am not always the best judge of measurements - so feel free to correct me if I miss something obvious. Also keep in mind that concepts and prototypes usually don't have the final steels and scale materials, so I won't include some of those details. In fact, a lot of the blades weren't even stamped with steel type...

OK, here we go:

- INTROVERT: This is a mid-size flipper concept from Cris Knutson. When opened, the flipper turns into an interesting hole in which to put your index finger, sorta like the Swick. The Introvert was interesting, but when closed, the flipper stuck out quite far on the spine side of the knife.

- OROBOROS: A slim, sleek friction folder in G-10 by Paul Alexander. This is a completely different type of friction folder than that by Filip de Leeuw. Filip's design is a more traditional design. Paul's knife is thin and trim. If you like friction folders, this one will be worth checking out.

- VALLOTON SUB-HILT 3.5: A smaller, trimmer version of the Valloton. Looks almost exactly like the original, only smaller. Very nicely done.

- PACKER: This is a new fixed blade model by Gayle Bradley. Gayle had a custom version at his booth. He said he designed it to be a very light weight hiking and hunting knife. It is about the size of a Mule, has very thin, trim G10 scales, and three cool holes through the scales lined with steel tubes. Gayle said that it will come in stainless, not M4 (!) It comes with a minimalist kydex sheath and a G-clip. If you fixed blades, this one looks like a keeper.

- DOG TAG: This is a Serge Panchenko design which is really cool and innovative. The blade is a small 1" wharncliffe that is chisel ground. It has a single titanium scale, which is the size and shape of a dog tag. Not for everybody, but pretty cool nonetheless.

- CHUBBY: This Michael Burch design is a titanium liner lock that ... looks like it sounds. It is so wide bodied that it looks shorter than it actually is. It also has a clip point blade which reminds my of the Lil Temp Rhino horn blade.

- KINGYO: An interesting ethnic design from Liong Mah. It is a CF scaled flipper. My only notes on it said "lots of belly." The blade has a curved shape that gives you more belly than anything else.

- TUSK: This is the one we've been talking about elsewhere in the forum. It has a marlin spike on one end, secured by a ceramic ball lock. On the other end has a serrated drop point blade (I wish it was a serrated sheepsfoot or wharncliffe...) Joyce said that this one has been in development for almost 10 years and they can't find a way to bring it to market at a good price point.

- JOULE: A cool little knife by Michael Reinhold. It reminds me of the Leaf Storm a little, and it is about the same size. This one is a modified warncliffe blade in jade G10. The entire knife is very angular and the blade looks almost like a miniature Yohimbo blade. Worth a look.

- LADY FINGER: This is an Ed Schemmp design I really liked. A small delicate liner lock folder that looks like the love child of a Lady Bug and a Kiwi. The blade had a slight negative angle that Ed prefers. Very sleek and very elegant. A nice gentleman's folder.

There were several other experiments in the case - including a lot of interesting scale material including several knives in Kirinite and one in texturetek titanium. Oh, and I almost forgot - a prototype Slipit Native 5 in G10...

Cheers!
TedP

Pinetreebbs said:
I can add one, a second Vallotton Sub-Hilt with dual action opening, graciously demonstrated by ace designer Ed Schempp. It can be opened manually just like the original folder. It can also be opened automatically by sliding the top (small) G-10 inlay.

Pinetreebbs said:
I should also mention the prototype case had a version of the whale rescue knife fitted with a handle. Again, graciously demonstrated by ace designer Ed Schempp, who explained the military found it useful in cutting parachute static lines.

phillipsted said:
Oh, I almost forgot. Gayle Bradley has some pictures of his custom version of the "Packer" fixed blade knife on his web site. You will have to imagine what that blade will look like once Sal punches a hole in it.

http://www.bradleysblades.com/knives.html

phillipsted said:
... and here is a link to a picture of one of Michael Burch's Chubby prototypes (from his web site).

http://www.burchtreeblades.com/galle...s/10bladeshow8

phillipsted said:
...and here are some cool shots of the Dog Tag concept from Serge Panchenko's site:

http://sergeknives.com/page34.html
 
(Turns out a post has to be 15000 characters or less. Who knew? Guess this'll be a two parter.)

Quoted from this thread, all credit to 9blades:

*every thing in bold is an update*

Yeah, blade show!

Not allowed to take pics...so here's my best description!

New native 5 handle materials!

Five different colors of kirinite!
https://www.google.com/search?q=kirinite+knife&safe=off&client=safari&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=mlupUZbyB4bo9ATjroHgDg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAA&biw=1024&bih=644#

Texture-tech!
image_zps8227d88c.jpg

not my image.

And a translucent green FRN (could be FRCP) it looks similar to natural G10.

Kirinite clipitools (see link above for kirinite)
http://spydercollector.wordpress.com/2013/03/04/spyderco-2013-concept-model-clipitool/
thanks for the pics MR blonde:)

a folding dog tag knife, the one on display was a custom version, no liking mechanism, just a detent holding it closed and open (couldn't say what materials would be used if this went into production)

The second one down was the one on display.
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1033621-DogTag-Folder-Prototype-(Relic-DogTag-Added)?highlight=Dog+tag

A burch three collaboration!
http://forthenrycustomknives.com/shop/burchtree-bladeworks-chubby/ it was similar to this, but appeared to be TI with ray skin inlays.

A (Approximately) 10" folder, G10, leaf blade, mid-lock....:)

A smaller version of the Vallotton, same exmaterials and design, but more in the 6-7 inch range.

a manix with a new locking mechanism, it felt similar to a SOG ark lock (and looked similar, but just from looking its obviously a different mechanism altogether) Ok, its not a manix, I asked Eric and its called the "bodacious" lol, there's also a two versions, one is about the size of the regualr manix (about 8") and the smaller closer to 7" and they're in G10 BTW.

there was a knife with a marlin spike (it locks using the ball cage lock, I believe it was using a ceramic ball) along with a 3 inch blade (liner lock ) don't didn't see if it was serrated or not. over all it was around 4" closed and around 7" with the blade open, it came in G10 and titanium (it could have been bead blasted stainless)

lastly, there was a jot singh khalsa collaboration, similar to the Khukuri, just no choil, a mid-lock, and the model I saw was in black G10. Pics of the Khukuri, https://www.google.com/search?q=spyderco+barong&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari

And I got to handle a fluted carbon fiber native (hahahaha) it was beautiful! And yes, the fluted CF pars 2 is real! (Didn't get to handle it though:()

I'll try and answer answer any questions you have:) do keep in mind most of these are concept models, that aren't guaranteed to go into production....The day after tomorrow ill make things a little more organized lol...lastly I just wanted to say a thank you to Eric for taking the time to show me all the knives:)

Quoted from this thread and page, all credit to mark greenman:

mark greenman said:
Titanium Para 2: The very first knife that caught my eye was the Titanium Paramilitary 2. This knife was solid Ti, and featured and integral comp lock, which is something we haven’t seen since the ATR. Further enhancing the awesomeness was the fact that the handle was fluted Ti, providing traction and loads of aesthetic appeal. This knife will not be cheap – but it will be mine.

Whatsit Powerlock: The next knife that I noticed was this MASSIVE spyderco folder called, appropriately, the “Whatsit.” The blade was over 5” long (possibly 6”), in a wide, bayonet ground leaf shape. I would describe it as a Superleaf blade with a Native style bayonet grind. To give you a sense of just how massive this folder is, it totally dwarfed the Laci Szabo Folder. Personally, I liked the looks of this one very much, but for my own use it is too large- I would love the same design in a 4” folder. However I know some will absolutely love this thing.
-The coolest part of the Whatsit is the new Powerlock, which is an interesting modification of the classic backlock. I’m afraid I cannot describe this as accurately or as precisely as I would like to, but it was like a backlock that cammed into two pieces when folding. This is a terrible description but until you see it in person its difficult to describe. However, what I can say is that the result was that the lock was butter smooth to depress, and opening the knife was smoother than the typical backlock.

Big Dyad: I’m a huge fan of the Spyderco Dyad Jr, so my heart skipped a beat when I saw that there was a full-size C44 Dyad in the case. The knife appeared to be unchanged from the original, in the wonderful grey G10 used on the G10 Manbug. I really like grey G10 because its manly and classic, while also being making the knife appear much friendlier to non-knife people. The ergos were surprisingly good – this is simply a must have for me.

RIL Dyad-type concept: I didn’t catch the name of this one, but Sal has designed a new Dyad style two-blade knife. He wanted the handles to be thinner, so he used Titanium scales with integral frame locks. The blades were about 3” long. He expressed concern that the cost of this knife may be prohibitive, so I tried not to get too attached, but it was very cool.

Natives: There were quite a few Native’s in the case, some sporting what appeared to be multi-colored swirls of acrylic resin for handles. However, the coolest Native featured a fluted CF handle.

Fluted CF: In addition to the fluted CF Native, there was a fluted CF Para 2. This is a new process developed by Spyderco, and made for a visually interesting and secure handle.

Whale rescue Handle: In addition to being made in H1, the Whale rescue blade may soon be available with a handle, as per the request of certain specialized customers. Holding this big ass, SE Scythe in my hand, it was difficult to imagine anything that I couldn’t cut through.

Reverse Fixed blade: I’m not sure if I got the name right, but there was a fixed blade in the case sporting a 3.5” (aprox) wharncliff/ hawkbill hybrid blade identical to the P’kal folder but slightly longer. It’s a joint collaboration between Southnarc and Mike Janich, and what makes this blade so interesting is that it has reversible scales, which allows the user to configure the knife for RGEI, or RGEO. I did not see what type of sheath was used.

Black Blade Laci Szabo: There was the Laci Szabo folder in the case, sporting a black blade. I think I like the black blade version better than the uncoated, which is rare for me.

Ed Schempp Knives: I own and adore a Schempp Khukuri and Rock Salt, so I’m always interested in the new Schempp prototypes. This year there was a very interesting Khukuri folder (I do not recall the name), still in the concept phase, that looked like a modified version of the original. I felt that the lines had become more rounded, the handle width stretched ever so slightly, and a bit more cutting edge. However, I did not have the original next to me for a direct comparison. The blade was made of a San Mei 154cm/S90 composite, which was developed by Carpenter.
-There were also several sizes of the Frontier model. I did not get to handle this one, but they look like a brass bolstered and CF handled folding bowie knife, but with the Ed Schempp negative blade angle. There was a 3” version and a 3.75” version.
-There was also a micro fixed blade called the Ladyfinger, which looked like it had a lot of applications. I did not handle this one, but the overall length appeared to be about 4-4.5”, with a very slender (10mm?) handle and a eyebrow shaped blade. It looked like it would make for a great EDC, or a nasty little hideout knife.

Butch Vallotton DA: At first I had no idea why the Butch Vallotton was back in the concepts case, as it was aesthetically identical to the existing model….then Sal slid over a piece of the handle scale and the knife popped open. Turns out, this ones an ambidextrous, hidden action switchblade. Very cool, but will only be for the foreign market due to customs.

“The Man-love Thursday Shower Rape knife”: This is my name for this knife, but it accurately reflects its mission. Apparently there has been a rash of man rape in the showers of US Military bases abroad, which has affected all ranks including a general. So, some soldiers contacted Spyderco to create a small fixed blade neck knife that they could wear in the shower to defend themselves against the locals. The result is a very small H1 fixed blade with a paracord handle. The blade is about the size of a Dragonfly blade, but with a small, sort of Bowie clip shape. The handle was also very small. Interesting application, but I would much prefer an H1 Swick with a P’kal style wharncliff / hawkbill blade if I’m fighting it out in the showers on Man-love Thursday.

http://www.bouhammer.com/2010/01/and...ove-thursdays/

Folding Swick: I do not know the proper name for this folder, but it looks like a folding swick. This knife simply blew me away, the Swick finger hole is integral to the blade, and when folded it protrudes out the back of the handle – allowing it to double as a flipper! Blade length was 2.5” long, and it was sporting a blue g10 handle. This knife is a must have.

This does not even cover half of the knives in the case!

Furthermore, here are some sprint runs and prototypes that the others didn't cover. Some are already out, others aren't. All credit to Spydercollector, (aka Mr. Blonde, as he's called on Spyderco.com,) the owner of the site.









So... whaddaya think? :D

The Oroboros friction folder is definitely interesting. I've really been wanting to try a friction folder, but a lot of them- the Svord Peasant, or Filip de Leeuw collab- are fairly bulky. The fact that Spyderco's coming out with a slim one is good to hear, though I'll obviously have to see pics in order to form a more concrete opinion. The Native 5 Slipit will be a must-buy for me when it comes out, though I won't be holding my breath. (I've been waiting on it for over a year already.) And, from what we know of the Frontier, (which I'm assuming is Ed Schempp's take on the classic Bowie design,) it could turn out to be a real beauty. Clip point, brass bolsters, and CF scales. There're still a lot of ways for it to go wrong, but if they get it right... man, will it be gorgeous. I'm a sucker for clip points.

What I'm really curious about is the Whatsit Powerlock. (Strange name, I know.) I don't have any personal use for a folder that big, but the lock seems really intriguing. In this video, (around the 11:00 mark,) it's stated that the strength limits of the lock are unknown, as Spyderco's testing machine, which "only" goes up to half a ton, wasn't able to break it. :eek:
Curious, like I said :D.



What're you looking forward to?
 
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Yeah I enjoyed those threads. A couple that wasn't mentioned that I'd like to hear about are the new Phil Wilson colab Bird and Trout style fixed blade, and the Marcin Slysz SpydeChef Ti folder concepts. A ways off like the others but just as excited for them.
 
Yeah I enjoyed those threads. A couple that wasn't mentioned that I'd like to hear about are the new Phil Wilson colab Bird and Trout style fixed blade, and the Marcin Slysz SpydeChef Ti folder concepts. A ways off like the others but just as excited for them.

Sadly enough Eric didn't have the spyderChef at blade (at least I didn't see it) and I must say I feel all special being quoted:D
 
Sadly enough Eric didn't have the spyderChef at blade (at least I didn't see it) and I must say I feel all special being quoted:D

A lot of folks are getting super-excited about this one. How long is it supposed to be?
 
A lot of folks are getting super-excited about this one. How long is it supposed to be?

From the looks of this thread it appears to be about 9 inches or so overall with a 4 inch blade? Not exactly the best guesser but if it's anywhere around that I would be happy with one.
 
I am interested in the Chubby. Burchtree is very popular, for good reason, no doubt.
Sadly, without pictures I don't know if I can get passionate about these new models.
I'm glad to see new stuff headed for production.

Thanks for the organized thread, Dan57.
 
I'm torn by this discussion. While I can dream about new models that they might come up with that we can't live without, they already have a myriad of models and I feel that producing all of these different models detracts from producing the manix/military/paramilitary models that are in high demand. Since I bought my first Spyderco and Benchmade models starting over 15 years ago, they have continued to make better and better models. I continue to find new models that I want to buy that I like better than my older models, and I'm sure that they will continue to do that if they continue to bring out new models. If they stopped innovating and bringing out new models, there would be no new models for us to want to buy. So I don't want them to stop working on new models but I also want them to be able to produce the popular models in enough quantity so that the average enthusiast can actually find one to buy at a reasonable price, and they will have enough slack in their production schedule to throw in a sprint or exclusive occasionally without it taking 24 months to come out.
 
Thanks a lot, Dan! I really appreciate the effort -- I must have slept through these previous threads as I haven't heard of a lot of these.

bdmicarta, I wouldn't worry too much. Spyderco has been getting more exposure than ever before these days it seems, and they are expanding their production facilities in Golden to keep up with the demand. If new and innovative models down the line bring even more exposure then they will be able to expand further one would think.
 
I wouldn't worry about production vs. the PM2. I know that at least a few of those are getting made in Japan and Taiwan, and won't detract from the USA production capabilities.
 
I have been waiting to get a fixed blade from Spyderco and it looks like Gayle Bradley's Packer might be the first. I hope it doesn't come in at too high a price point.

Any word yet on the kitchen knives that are supposedly in development?
 
I have been waiting to get a fixed blade from Spyderco and it looks like Gayle Bradley's Packer might be the first. I hope it doesn't come in at too high a price point.

Any word yet on the kitchen knives that are supposedly in development?
I think I prefer the Serrata over the Packer, but I'm sure they'll both be fantastic.
Thanks for the heads-up on the kitchen knives, I didn't know they were in the works.

One more thing about the Serrata: the designer, Stuart Ackerman, says here that it's his wife's favorite knife to use in the kitchen. So if you're looking for a Spyderco fixed blade and a Spyderco kitchen knife, you may be able to kill two birds with one stone! :thumbup:
 
Hey Guy's. Anyone have an estimate on what price the Serrata will be at? I like it more and more every time I see it. Thanks
 
I am still waiting and wondering what happened to this knife
spyderco_amsterdammeet2012_prototype_foundry.jpg

Spyderco 2012 Prototype – Foundry (Carpenter)
 
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