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NOTE: These PSK threads are intended to focus in on one topic at at time rather than provide generalized PSK discussion.
The Bladeforums wilderness board is full of discussion that hits this topic in general terms. There are plenty of lists here for anyone who wants to search. There is also plenty of discussion on general pack contents and EDC items. I’d like to (attempt) to limit the discussion to actual items in a pocket sized PSK. The intention is to discuss only one topic is discussed per thread, with separate threads covering the basics of: FIRE, WATER, SHELTER, NAVIGATION, LIGHT, SIGNALS, FOOD GATHERING, MINOR MEDS, SHARPS, and MISC. (Please don’t take these as an order of importance)
Try to keep comments focused on the incidents and accidents that drove your choices. As Solomon stated in Proverbs, “There is much wisdom in the multitude of counselors.” As each thread winds down or runs off topic I’ll start another in the series. Mac
WATER – Severe dehydration is a cruel lesson to learn. We once hiked 24 miles on the AT in August and all the springs we were depending on were dry. We made no attempt to ration sweat pushing on through the mid 90’s heat. The last five miles were like a death march, rubber legs, fatigue, mind-bending headache, cramps, and loss of concentration. At the time we had no real concept of our need for water, expedient techniques for collecting or treating water, and only a 1-quart carrying capacity each. Traveling light again… light headed.
My normal pack now contains emergency water collection and treatment resources that vary according to location and season. The emergency methods I have found very productive are rain collection, dew collection, and the use of a 60 ml syringe and plastic tube to extract water from hard to access places. I carry the syringe with a 1-meter and a 30 cm tube. With the short tube I can suck up water out of tiny puddles, plants, etc without disturbing the sediments in the bottom. The long tube is used to reach down below rocks and into rain gullies. I also use a home made 2-stage filter made from 20 mm PVC, fiber wad, and activated charcoal.
This past spring I intentionally led my brother to an area in the Appalachians that was devoid of flowing water. On a satellite photo I had spotted a bulldozed waterhole that the PA game commission likes to scrape out in areas that don’t naturally have water. Upon arrival we were just about out of water and the waterhole was frog pond skuzzy. I had no doubt I could treat this water and wanted to force the issue with my brother. He needed this kind of shock to his system to break him out of his “Deer Park”mentality.
Two years ago I found myself on a mountainside with my 12 year-old daughter and about six Potable Aqua tablets. I had forgotten to check the supply before we left. A foil container of KMnO4 is now taped inside the pouch of all my canteens and in the PSK as a backup.
I also carry salt in my PSK because I sweat like a horse and know for a fact that salt makes me feel better under such conditions. I once spent a few days in August camped near a remote, abandoned quarry doing long range shooting (M1A). The first day arriving back at camp I was very dehydrated. I mixed up a tsp of salt and some honey in a canteen and drank the whole thing. In an hour I was back to normal. Two more canteens and I actually had to pee. I have carried Thermo-tabs in my PSK but found they don’t hold up well.
I don’t have any illusions that I’m not dependant upon my US Army canteen and cup for hydration. I find the condom in PSK idea sadly lacking (for any use). I have tried the small 10 oz milk bags and they are pretty poor as well. Getting a serious water carrier inside a PSK isn’t going to happen in our lifetimes.
My best field expedient yet is a five-liter bag they sell here in Brazil for carrying gasoline back to your car. All the gas stations here sell them for about $.50 USD. They measure 25x45 cm with a 13x10cm nozzle and four finger holes at the top. If you roll them correctly they will be about the size of a shotgun shell. I have one attached by ranger bands to the bottom of my BK-7 sheath.
They used to sell these marked GASOLINA – ALCÓOL – DIESEL which precluded selling them in the States! Now that they come with no printing I’m toying with the idea of buying a few hundred of them.
The Bladeforums wilderness board is full of discussion that hits this topic in general terms. There are plenty of lists here for anyone who wants to search. There is also plenty of discussion on general pack contents and EDC items. I’d like to (attempt) to limit the discussion to actual items in a pocket sized PSK. The intention is to discuss only one topic is discussed per thread, with separate threads covering the basics of: FIRE, WATER, SHELTER, NAVIGATION, LIGHT, SIGNALS, FOOD GATHERING, MINOR MEDS, SHARPS, and MISC. (Please don’t take these as an order of importance)
Try to keep comments focused on the incidents and accidents that drove your choices. As Solomon stated in Proverbs, “There is much wisdom in the multitude of counselors.” As each thread winds down or runs off topic I’ll start another in the series. Mac
WATER – Severe dehydration is a cruel lesson to learn. We once hiked 24 miles on the AT in August and all the springs we were depending on were dry. We made no attempt to ration sweat pushing on through the mid 90’s heat. The last five miles were like a death march, rubber legs, fatigue, mind-bending headache, cramps, and loss of concentration. At the time we had no real concept of our need for water, expedient techniques for collecting or treating water, and only a 1-quart carrying capacity each. Traveling light again… light headed.
My normal pack now contains emergency water collection and treatment resources that vary according to location and season. The emergency methods I have found very productive are rain collection, dew collection, and the use of a 60 ml syringe and plastic tube to extract water from hard to access places. I carry the syringe with a 1-meter and a 30 cm tube. With the short tube I can suck up water out of tiny puddles, plants, etc without disturbing the sediments in the bottom. The long tube is used to reach down below rocks and into rain gullies. I also use a home made 2-stage filter made from 20 mm PVC, fiber wad, and activated charcoal.
This past spring I intentionally led my brother to an area in the Appalachians that was devoid of flowing water. On a satellite photo I had spotted a bulldozed waterhole that the PA game commission likes to scrape out in areas that don’t naturally have water. Upon arrival we were just about out of water and the waterhole was frog pond skuzzy. I had no doubt I could treat this water and wanted to force the issue with my brother. He needed this kind of shock to his system to break him out of his “Deer Park”mentality.
Two years ago I found myself on a mountainside with my 12 year-old daughter and about six Potable Aqua tablets. I had forgotten to check the supply before we left. A foil container of KMnO4 is now taped inside the pouch of all my canteens and in the PSK as a backup.
I also carry salt in my PSK because I sweat like a horse and know for a fact that salt makes me feel better under such conditions. I once spent a few days in August camped near a remote, abandoned quarry doing long range shooting (M1A). The first day arriving back at camp I was very dehydrated. I mixed up a tsp of salt and some honey in a canteen and drank the whole thing. In an hour I was back to normal. Two more canteens and I actually had to pee. I have carried Thermo-tabs in my PSK but found they don’t hold up well.
I don’t have any illusions that I’m not dependant upon my US Army canteen and cup for hydration. I find the condom in PSK idea sadly lacking (for any use). I have tried the small 10 oz milk bags and they are pretty poor as well. Getting a serious water carrier inside a PSK isn’t going to happen in our lifetimes.
My best field expedient yet is a five-liter bag they sell here in Brazil for carrying gasoline back to your car. All the gas stations here sell them for about $.50 USD. They measure 25x45 cm with a 13x10cm nozzle and four finger holes at the top. If you roll them correctly they will be about the size of a shotgun shell. I have one attached by ranger bands to the bottom of my BK-7 sheath.
They used to sell these marked GASOLINA – ALCÓOL – DIESEL which precluded selling them in the States! Now that they come with no printing I’m toying with the idea of buying a few hundred of them.