PUMA, the original Buck 110?

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I enjoy going to AG Russels shop, and browsing the occasional catalog. Over the years, some of the statements and claims in the catalog have struck me as a bit of a stretch as far as accuracy (not many, but a few). The latest one is the PUMA Deerhunter. In AG's catalog, and website he states that the Deerhunter is "It is the original "Folding Hunter" copied by everyone."

Bet thats news to Buck :eek:
 
Well, in truth A.G. is right. Buck did not invent the lock back folding hunter any more than Al Mar invented the mid lock folder. Buck did make it very popular though and they did modify it slightly by using a piano wire for a spring which hadn't been done before.

Both of these types of locks are hundreds of years old though. Puma was making that Deer Hunter for many many years before Buck even concieved of a folder. I would have to do some research but I believe the Deer Hunter by Puma predates Buck as a company.

Bernard Levine would probably know for sure. But if I can find the write up in one of my books I'll post it.

EDIT:

I have this reply from Bernard via email.

I'll add before that that the Buck company started in 1902 in Kansas I believe. Puma was started in 1769. Somewhere in my stuff I have a paper that said Puma made their first locking folder in 1860 something. But I have not had any luck finding that.

Here is Bernard Levine's comment on this also.

"Various sorts of knife locks were already common in the 18th century. The oldest type of
lock is the Barry Wood swing lock type, which was made in the 17th century, and possibly
earlier -- it does not need springs. Versions of this mechanism were patented by 10
different Americans and 10 different Brits, some of whom simply traced 18th century
drawings for their 19th century patent applications.

The Buck 110 was introduced in 1963. It uses a rocker bar and music wire spring, which is
completely different internally from a traditional lockback (which uses a two-part
backspring), despite looking the same externally. Shown in Levine's Guide to Knives. Buck
used it because it is simpler to make, but it is also stronger and more reliable. I don't
know if Buck invented this, but they did not attempt to patent it, so practically everyone
has copied it since then."
 
Guess I should clarify. I know locks have been around quite a while, including the lock back. What I am getting at is the Buck 110 was definately a design advancement and the 110 was an original Buck design with its own distinctive look. The Puma Deerhunter advertised on AGs site, and a near direct copy of the 110, did not in any way predate the 110.

Referring to the 110 design and knock-offs of the same look and style, the caption would have better been stated...The Deerhunter, a copy of the Buck 110, the original that everybody copies.
 
Not at all. As Bernard says above. They only look the same externally.
 
STR said:
Not at all. As Bernard says above. They only look the same externally.

Ok, I got ya now....sometimes you only have to beat me over the head 2 or 3 times to get what your saying through my thick skull
:D

Seriously, I guess I wasnt reading your first post right. I see it now.
Also, thanks for the interesting tidbit on the piano wire, never knew that.
 
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