Push Dagger

i've considered buying a push dagger, would that be usefull for self-defense?
http://www.extremely-sharp.com/es/catalog/30232.html

yeah it looks cheap (and it IS cheap!) but i dont find pushdaggers so easy to find.

do you have any views on a push dagger? would that be usefull or should i have it just as a backup? any of you people carrying a push dagger?

regards chariot
 
A push dagger is one of the most effective defensive knives for a short blade. You can use it with full force at a chest and not lose it. It is also quick to get into play if you have it sheathed in a handy spot. The penalty is that the cross handle can be a little bulky. I have no idea of the quality of construction or blade alloy on the model that you showed. Cold Steel makes one out of AUS-8 that should be pretty good. It is called the Safe Keeper II. See the link below. I would look at the prices from Blowoutknives.com and the special deals from 1stStopknives.

http://www.coldsteel.com/safekeepers2.html


[This message has been edited by Jeff Clark (edited 07-10-2000).]
 
Just keep in mind section 12020 of the California Penal code:

"(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:

(4) Carries concealed upon his or her person any dirk or dagger."

Much smarter to carry a folder.

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hi

i checked the safekeeper ii from coldsteel and it looks good though it costs $119.99 and the one in the link i posted costs $100 LESS :-) (quite a difference) also the one in my link look a little more threating. (i realize the CS is of a lot better quality)

does any of you own a safekeeper ii ? from the picture it looks kinda long (between the blade and the grip) but maybe it's just an illusion.. also i might be able to find it cheaper than $119.99...

regards
chariot
 
The cut-outs in the blades from the site you reference is a giveaway that the knive's ornamental value is put ahead to their functional value. Most of the products on that site seem to be of the "fantasy" variety rather than the working variety. I wouldn't trust your security to how fierce a knife looks. Your greatest threats come from drunks who are very hard to impress.
 
thanks jeff! wow $60, that's a great price! for the push dagger i wouldn't care about how it looks, but for a "main knife" (first hand choice) maybe that would come into play, i don't know... i'd like to think that it can make a difference pulling a knife that looks nasty, maybe im kidding myself and im in the wrong here... (not that it would be the main priority in buying a knife anyways)

nevertheless, thanks for your help.

regards
chariot
 
Check the "For Sale" forum right now.

It sure is nice to say that again.

Brandon


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You might also want to look at the Cold Steel Desperado, its not exactly a pushdagger but the egg shaped handle can be used in a variety of grips. Which you can get for 65 at discount knives
 
One thing you want to remember in using a push dagger, or any stabbing motion with a knife, is that you are shoving your hand up against where you are making someone else's blood come out.

Now think about what all too many bad guys might have crawling around in their blood, and why emergency medical pesonnel wear those cute little rubber gloves.

Maybe you'd be better off with a baton. My brother-in-law is a police officer. He really likes his side-handle baton, which you wouldn't normally get to carry around, but he also likes his little rubber truncheon with a hollow center, suitable for a sand or lead filling.

He also likes a little telescoping spring truncheon I gave him, a kind of coiled whip; very impressive when it snaps out with a flick of the wrist, and it will beat most knives on the length alone.

And no blood ...
 
A guy, who carry unconcealed push dagger, looks like a BAD guy. It may scare some peoples.
For self-defence are push dagger limited in movements. A knive is more various, and you can use it mainly for non-defensive tasks.
 
Concealed carry of a push-dagger in California is bad karma. And if a knife is specifically intended to be a stabbing weapon, "unconcealed" means hanging from your belt, visible from the front (that ain't in the statute, but it's been argued in court), and no clothing even partly obscuring somebody's view of it.

And then people will look at you funny.

If you carry any fixed blade knife in California that is not in perfectly clear view, you should be able to explain with a straight face, if asked, all the mundane and peaceful uses you have for it, and why you were not carrying it "for protection."

And if it does come to the atttention of a law enforcement officer, you may still be in for an expensive ride through the legal system, even if you eventually win. See [/b]my dirk or dagger page[/b] for cases where somebody got busted, lost at trial, and took it up on appeal.


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On intimidatin - I think a double edged dagger jabbing out the front of your fist would be fairly intimidating anyhow
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Regarding truncheons et alia, these are actually *more*, yes, *more* illegal than fighting knives in some locales.
 
As I recall, one of the locales where truncheons are particularly illegal is California. On the other hand, a cane is not generally a truncheon. (Actually I think the law forbids blackjacks and billy clubs).

[This message has been edited by Jeff Clark (edited 07-12-2000).]
 
Yeah, in MA, those "slapjacks" are all illegal, as are billyclubs, and, I think, any kind of weighted club designed for hitting people. I'm not sure about plain old batons, but I think you can't carry one of those either. I think the reasoning is that the only reason to carry a club is to hit people, while one might carry a knife, even a combat-type knife, for its utility value.
 
There's an old urban American tradition called "mugging" that often begins with a sharp blow to a contributer's head with a piece of pipe, blackjack, or billy club. This sport has been so popular over the years that the government has sought to regulate the equipment.
 
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