Qatar world cup: Nepalese migrant worker deaths

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Sorry. I was pressed for time, and it seemed important.
Nepalese migrant construction workers in Qatar are working under unsafe and unregulated conditions (which is not uncommon there, in Dubai and Saudi). FIFA doesn't seem to think it's their problem-I for one am kinda tired of big, reputable organizations maintaining this kind of "one degree of separation" approach to mistreatment of inexpensive labor.
 
nepalese workers seem to be a popular target for exploitation in the middle east , india and china , I even saw about some in Israel getting abused ( not payed wages and beaten)-- I can only imagine it is because of the recent strife in the country and its relative poor state ( also the leaders seem to be making lots of money but nobody in the nation seems to benefit) -- so to say like the sale of the royal armory, corruption breeds desperation, etc -- not a good situation, I hope it changes

it is the same everywhere really , as disparity grows, so will the abuse
 
I wonder if being raised in a caste system makes one more susceptible to abuse by those outside the caste system.
I know the Indian construction workers in Iraq (working for a Kuwaiti company) definately got jerked around a lot.
 
I would absolutely blame the caste system, it really is just a horrible idea
 
It happens all over. It's not just the caste system or a purely Nepalese problem. It's a 3rd world problem. It's by those with money abusing those that have not in a part of the world where there are not as many civil rights regulations. My first wife is Filipino. When I met her, she had just flown halfway around the world to escape from the clutches of employment by one of the princes in the royal family of Saudi. They kept her locked up when not working. Beat her on a whim. Raped her on same. For awhile while we were dating and after we were married there were cars that would follow us around here in america, I'm assuming to kidnap her. It only stopped after I started act like I was going to confront the situation and started notifying authorities.
 
that is crazy and scary, but very true, its a problem everywhere and as old as death and wine. It is honestly why I love america, for all our faults we do have legal recourse, even if its sometimes difficult to obtain, the fact that I can run my business without having to pay a cartel to not cut my family's head off, is pretty damn nice.

I gladly pay taxes with this in mind, and am very glad to live in a place where civil rights are important, and the rights of the minority are considered equal to the majority.(in most reasonable cases)

horrifying story karda
 
Karda- that's nuts. Amazing that they would try to push ot on this continent. It was the same in Kosovo and Macedonia, and probably still is (especially since we couldn't do anything about it).
 
Turns out she was only using me to escape them and get a greencard to stay here. Used our son for same and as a pawn to try to control me.
The almost two years we were together, with one being absolute misery were worth the fact of having a wonderful son to raise on my own without having his mother corrupt him with her crazy self serving crap. I've since met a woman, whom he considers his mom and been together 20 years this year.

Like I said, abuse of those considered lower of value and the poor is not a new thing. It happens all over the world, even here in America.
The only way to fight it is to bring the darkness to light and hold the perpetrators accountable.
 
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Sad to say but it is happening here. The closer you get to the international border here the more obvious it becomes. Farmers threatened with their families lives if they dont let the cartels use their property...etc. Farmers get so tired of them tearing up their fences that they put stairs over them so they can cross and keep their cattle in. Most of America dont hear about it because of our yellow bellied media. Safehouses operated by cartels inside our borders with sex trade, slave labor, you name it! 70,000 people killed since Calderon declared war on the cartels. Scores of people living in one bedroom with all services electric,water, cut off. Underfed.Sick busted up, beaten raped, broken bones, etc. is a daily occurrence..Daily! It does happen here! I could say so much more. It dont stop there. I know first hand as well and but wont get into it here. It is everywhere and we are not exempt. Yes they are immigrants and they are human and its happening on US soil! Problem is the authorities are not funded sufficiently to deal with this problem. If someone is suspected of these atrocities they are subject to local jurisdiction first from sometimes a cities of a few thousand people with maybe one sherif! They simply dont have the resources to detain and screen these criminals and hold them until the feds show up.
 
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Thucydides in his History of the Peloponnesian War:
"The strong do as they can and the weak suffer what they must."
 
Ndog- I know. Nobody covers any of this in the US except once in a great while on NPR-and it's always some small independent show. There's even some migrant worker weirdness up here now and again.
I think it'd help if they stopped subsidizing the giant corporate farms, and started helping the smaller farmers-then they might be able to hire US citizens, if there are any left willing to do that kind of work...:/
I don't know what the solution to the seriously criminal side in the US is, though I'd like to think there'd be some 262 mod 0
involved. Trying not to rant...
Karda- that's a beautiful thing to have your son with you after all that.
My first wife was very, very damaged, and we spent 10 yrs trying.
It says something that it's possible to be on a heavily mined stretch of trail at 0300, 500 meters from the Macedonian border, hung up on a vine you think is a tripwire, and it's still more relaxing than home.
Esav- I was kinda thinking of the same quote.
The Nepalese I was acquainted with in the sandbox were pretty well treated...funny how the corporate an government lackeys tiptoe a little more when the help is all ex Gurkha NCO's in full battle rattle.
 
It's still very frustrating that people die so other people can watch a game be played (at all) let alone in a place wildly ill-suited to it to appease some governments pride.
 
look at mexico, the solution to the cartel problem is presenting itself as we speak-- the vigilantes have taken up arms and are killing the cartel members in their homes and stealing the assets they stole from them, this is always the solution to this kind of aggression, massive armed uprising, from all directions. nobody is more afraid of dying than a cartel( or any organized crime) leader, its why they lash out with such vicious disregard for life. and few deserve death as much.
and that quote is exactly what modern society seeks to circumvent, seeks to temper with reason for all people rather than the few who have cheated and murdered enough to have lots of wealth( the only way to really be a wealthy land owner in ancient times was by brutally killing the guy who owned it before and raping all his women and enslaving his kids , stealing his lands.)
Its exactly why the USA is great, because I can be armed , and weapons make rules.
so to say the abused have to attack their abusers , and show them its not worth abusing them any more, but we see what can happen with that mentality in syria, its all very difficult

lets not forget that thucydides came from a warrior society where women and children were pretty much chattel, and slaves were made and taken from everyone they met--and the world was unspoiled and filled with wild places-- there is no space left, there is a world unlike any human in history has seen, I would like to know what the great historians of greece, rome and persia would say if they could see the world as it is now. In all the old writings see how they speak of nature, how unconquered it seems , there is no land left to find, there is no space unclaimed. and the population only grows , barring some termite hive mind technology , will probably be regressing soon to adjust the population.
 
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I would absolutely blame the caste system, it really is just a horrible idea

In Nepal do they have their own set of caste? Our city guide mentioned that Buddhists are in the caste system.

In any event, I know a couple of Nepali folks who left the KV and Lumbini respectively for about a year to go into various guest worker programs. One friend traveled to Holland to work in someone's Tibetan/Nepali goods shop in Haarlem and had a pretty bad time of it and returned suddenly. Another I know is a gourmet chef at a hotel in Qatar and is doing extremely well. The kid waited on and cooked for us at one of our hotel stays in the KV and he was absolutely brilliant.
 
I've lived in Qatar and whilst there I walked through a worker's camp there that Nepali laborers lived in and can say from first hand experience that they are nothing more than glorified kennels, actually I retract that, kennels in the West are far better for dogs than the Nepali workers live in whilst in Qatar.

In my experience Nepali, Malay/Indonesian and Filipino workers face the worst treatment at the hands of the Arabs, they get abused, beaten, raped and sometimes even killed. Their passports are confiscated and they just can't get home and are treated worse than slaves.

I was working for an interfaith organization in Qatar of all places and witnessed a Moroccan staff member there strike a Nepali cleaner who was found sleeping instead of working, the Moroccan (who was still very low on teh food chain) was ordered to do so by the Qatari administrator and so I threatened to beat them both within an inch of their lives if I caught them doing anything like that again. Eventually I was kicked out onto the street for challenging them and their other corruption and not paid and had to find my own way home.

The Qataris, Kuwaitis, Saudis and others in that area are the Middle Eastern equivalent of the Beverley Hillbillies. They are a bunch of very ignorant, a$$ backwards and unsophisticated people who struck oil and gas and now have unlimited wealth but retain the ignorant practices of their forefathers.

The world would do well to give them an ultimatum to change their ways and should they fail to do so, to then deprive them of their oil and gas and then send them back into the desert.

Sorry for the rant.
 
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