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My friend was curious about the 1980's back to the 1950's who were the premium user knives?
I read somewhere that Buck was made by either Schrade, or Camillus.
She's curious to see if anyone was told don't buy brand X because they are made by brand Y & all you're doing is paying for the name.
 
Contract knife making is as old as the business. Many brands were contract made by other brands.

To your question, I believe that the Buck 300 series folders were made by Schrade and then by Camillus before they brought the production in house. Someone will come along with the date when it was changed to in house production, I don't recall.

The Buck fixed blades and knives such as the 110 and 112 were always made by Buck.

As far as buying a contract made knife is concerned, I only worry myself about whether the quality justifies the price. The contract 300 series knives made by Schrade and Camillus are well made knives and I have several of them.
 
As my colleague lambetiana wrote some Buck knives were made by others from roughly 1970 onward. Camillus still made the occasional Buck special run knife at least into the early 2000s.

Premium user knives? Depending on how 'premium' and 'user' are defined... Premium: The Queen brands leap to mind, Queen Steel, Queen, Robeson, Schatt and Morgan, and probably a half dozen more that I'm not thinking of right now. Queen also made knives with the Winchester, case and Remington names on them.

Users, Western, Schrade, Imperial, Camillus, Ulster, there were probably fifty or so makers that made inexpensive knives that were bought by guys who used them to skin squirrels or do chores around the shop or farm.

In between these rough categories was Case.

There were also many English, German and Italian firms who exported knives to the US. These ranged from cheap and serviceable to exquisite tools. As the 80s approached Japan got into the act with some knives that were an excellent mix of cost versus quality. And, of course today it's China.

As was said earlier, everyone made knives for everyone. You see Primble or Keen Kutter, highly prized collector's items. They weren't made by the names on the blades, they were contract made by others. Every hardware chain had their private names on knives. Wards and Sears sold millions of knives under their names. All were made by others.

Who made what wasn't commonly known, really, until the internet came along. Some writers like Bernard Levine came along and wrote books that demystified this to some degree. If you read much here you'll see that there isn't a lot of agreement even now who made some things.

Was anybody discouraged from buying a knife because it was made by someone else? Since this kind of information was scarce, or even in some cases a closely guarded secret, I doubt it.
 
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John Primble ( made buy Boker and Schrade) , Shapleigh's OVB (made by NYKC?), Case XX, Uncle Henry, Robeson, Schatt & Morgan

Users; Schrade Old Timers, Camillus, later Case, Buck ( the first were made by Schrade then by Camillus) Utica, Queen.

As has been said, most of the hardware companies contracted for their knives. Shapleigh, Belknap, Simmons although Simmons Keen Kutters were in partnership with Winchester for a while then Walden Knife ( which I believe Simmon's owned )
 
Until I became an educated knife collector I had no idea what company made another brands knives. It wasn’t a factor in deciding what knife to buy. Now we know if you bought a Buck, a Remington, a Kabar, a Western etc. pocketknife in the 1980’s and 90’s it was probably made by Camillus, but they were all good pocketknives. Not a discussion point until you learn while collecting, and probably in excess of 95% of knife buyers bought one to use, not to collect. OH
 
No ! It's all about preferences, experiences, and what people grew up with.

Somebody who grew up with Case knives for example would buy their son / grandson or steer them towards a Case knife and instill their trust in the reputation and quality they expect.
If they had a bad experience with an Old Timer or say an Imperial they might steer the boy away from one when they went to go pick him out a pocket knife at the hardware store.
Maybe they just speak so highly of their preferred knife or brand that they unintentionally present the idea that all others are inferior.


That's the way I see it as far as brands and manufacturers are concerned, of course it's pretty cut and dry where the cheap imports from Japan Pakistan and China are concerned.
It was and still is very common to dismiss and recommend against the cheap imports from China & Pakistan.
 
I think a lot had to do with what was available locally, too. I’m not “that” old, but I do remember a pre-internet-knife-buying era when I’d go stare at the display of knives in my local hardware store and wonder about the different patterns. They were shiny and pretty and looked very enticing. A dozen or more different shapes, sizes, combinations! If the local store where you bought nails, tools, and lumber sold Case, you’d probably end up with one in your pocket. Likewise Camillus, Buck, Schrade, etc. I don’t think many back then agonized over the theoretical detail differences between an Ulster and a Robeson and a Shapleigh etc.

On a family history note, in that era: Grandpa carried Western and never really thought about it, I don’t think. Three old penknives, much sharpened, little snap, one held together with masking tape. Probably acquired in the 1945-60 timeframe. Dad had three as well, in much better shape (he was a carpenter/mechanic and took care of his tools.) Acquired in 1960s-80s. One was Case, but he was proud of his Bucks, and I think esteemed them slightly higher. Probably due mostly to reputation and that logo of someone striking the blade with a hammer. Buck pocketknives were first made by Schrade, then Camillus, then later in-house. My dads was one of the early Schrades, with the “inferior” Swinden-key type construction. Objectively his Case large stockman was and is the best of the lot in terms of intrinsic quality. That being said, they were all possessed of thin, slicey, and decently tempered blades, solid enough construction, and provided great service for years cutting twine, opening mail, and whittling a stick now and then. And could do so for another half century if necessary.
 
I think a lot had to do with what was available locally, too. I’m not “that” old, but I do remember a pre-internet-knife-buying era when I’d go stare at the display of knives in my local hardware store and wonder about the different patterns. They were shiny and pretty and looked very enticing. A dozen or more different shapes, sizes, combinations! If the local store where you bought nails, tools, and lumber sold Case, you’d probably end up with one in your pocket. Likewise Camillus, Buck, Schrade, etc. I don’t think many back then agonized over the theoretical detail differences between an Ulster and a Robeson and a Shapleigh etc.

On a family history note, in that era: Grandpa carried Western and never really thought about it, I don’t think. Three old penknives, much sharpened, little snap, one held together with masking tape. Probably acquired in the 1945-60 timeframe. Dad had three as well, in much better shape (he was a carpenter/mechanic and took care of his tools.) Acquired in 1960s-80s. One was Case, but he was proud of his Bucks, and I think esteemed them slightly higher. Probably due mostly to reputation and that logo of someone striking the blade with a hammer. Buck pocketknives were first made by Schrade, then Camillus, then later in-house. My dads was one of the early Schrades, with the “inferior” Swinden-key type construction. Objectively his Case large stockman was and is the best of the lot in terms of intrinsic quality. That being said, they were all possessed of thin, slicey, and decently tempered blades, solid enough construction, and provided great service for years cutting twine, opening mail, and whittling a stick now and then. And could do so for another half century if necessary.
This is what she was asking.
She wants to apologize for being unclear.
 
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