Question about damascus steel

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My dad says damascus steel shouldnt be sharpened because it never dulls, is he right? If so will any sharpener work?

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Damascus steel will dull with use.
A sharpener used on regular steel will also work on Damascus Steel.
 
My dad says damascus steel shouldnt be sharpened because it never dulls, is he right? If so will any sharpener work?

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All blades will need to be resharpen after some time. Its just a matter of 'when'. Damascus steel is no exception

The old damascus steel is basically a forgotten technology. It is said to be very tough and yet could be sharpen so much that it could cut silk.

Current damascus steel is more of a 'presentation' thing. The pattern is very nice to see. The properties are more or less the same as the other steels. Thus, it will need to be resharpen. Just my 2cent.

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Your dad is sadly misinformed. Damascus steel isn't some magical steel. The current ones are mostly just for looks. Even the old ones with the lost technique of forging one was probably awesome back then, but most likely just alright based on today's technology and super steels.

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A steel blade of any kind, that never dulls, is only one that never gets used to cut something. If the damascus blade is for display only, the 'never dulls' definition might loosely fit. Otherwise, if the knife gets used like any other knife, it'll get dull and need sharpening like any other knife, from time to time. It's still just steel, and nothing magic or invincible about it. Most damascus steels aren't very wear resistant (i.e., they don't have very hard carbides), so most any tools used to sharpen 'regular' blade steels will work. Some very cheaply made damascus blades (and there are many out there) may not take or hold a sharp edge for very long.

As has been mentioned, many of the cheap ones especially are made mainly for the looks, and might not respond well to sharpening anyway. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the cheaper ones came with cautions to not sharpen them, else the blade would be ground away to nothing, in a fruitless attempt to make it sharp. The implication of the 'no sharpening' warning is not that it never gets dull; it just means it was never made to be sharpened and actually used as a cutting tool. 'For Display Only', in other words. So-called 'fantasy', 'novelty' or 'art cutlery' knives might fall into that category, with blades that possibly aren't even heat-treated (for hardening) or tempered for use as cutting tools. They wouldn't hold an edge anyway, even if one were to attempt sharpening them.


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My dad says damascus steel shouldnt be sharpened because it never dulls, is he right? If so will any sharpener work?

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Damascus needs to be sharpened if used, if properly made with quality steels and alloys it'll take a Keene edge than most production commercial steels. The magic in Damascus comes from properly forged billets drawn into blades and a proper heat treat based on the ingredients in the billet. There's more poorly made Damascus out there made in backyard forges in third world countries than quality made damascus so most of the misconceptions good and bad come from those knives. The other problem for misconceptions comes from the fact that quality Damascus commands a higher price so when most people but it, they turn them into safe queens and never get real world feedback on use and maintaining an edge on it.

I have a few Damascus blades and I use them and sharpen them, that's what they were meant for and they do take a keener edge quicker/easier and is easier to maintain. If it has a downside it's that it needs to be kept oiled and blade coated with renaissance wax or something to keep it from oxidizing. Myself, I let it devop a natural patina so the pattern is not as discernible but the benefits are still there so I use it.

All blades will need to be resharpen after some time. Its just a matter of 'when'. Damascus steel is no exception

The old damascus steel is basically a forgotten technology. It is said to be very tough and yet could be sharpen so much that it could cut silk.

Current damascus steel is more of a 'presentation' thing. The pattern is very nice to see.
The properties are more or less the same as the other steels. Thus, it will need to be resharpen. Just my 2cent.

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The bolded statement was the only thing you said that was correct, do you have a quality Damascus blade and use it or are you just passing on misinformation ?

The underlined statement is a misrepresentation of the original myth which was that damascus steel could take such a keen edge that if a silk scarf were dropped onto an upturned blade the weight of the silk scarf alone would be enough to be sliced in two by the blade, any sharp knife will cut silk.

As far as the italicized comment Damascus and pattern welded steels have come a long way in the last 25 years and not only is it beautiful with patterns limited only by the smith's imagination but when combined correctly with some of today's super steels you get extremely efficient cutting edges. Remember there's nothing mythical or magical about damascus blades, just people passing on stories about a steel they've heard about from someone else or it's someone who has a blade made of dubious materials.

PT, I hope I answered your question. MS, we all want to help each other learn about knives but continuing to pass on misinformation doesn't help the community. There's a lot of info out there but hen in doubt, go to the knife makes section and ask the experts, the guys who make the stuff. The great thing about BF is that those people are here and available to any member, all ya gotta do is ask.
 
Damascus needs to be sharpened if used, if properly made with quality steels and alloys it'll take a Keene edge than most production commercial steels. The magic in Damascus comes from properly forged billets drawn into blades and a proper heat treat based on the ingredients in the billet. There's more poorly made Damascus out there made in backyard forges in third world countries than quality made damascus so most of the misconceptions good and bad come from those knives. The other problem for misconceptions comes from the fact that quality Damascus commands a higher price so when most people but it, they turn them into safe queens and never get real world feedback on use and maintaining an edge on it.

I have a few Damascus blades and I use them and sharpen them, that's what they were meant for and they do take a keener edge quicker/easier and is easier to maintain. If it has a downside it's that it needs to be kept oiled and blade coated with renaissance wax or something to keep it from oxidizing. Myself, I let it devop a natural patina so the pattern is not as discernible but the benefits are still there so I use it.



The bolded statement was the only thing you said that was correct, do you have a quality Damascus blade and use it or are you just passing on misinformation ?

The underlined statement is a misrepresentation of the original myth which was that damascus steel could take such a keen edge that if a silk scarf were dropped onto an upturned blade the weight of the silk scarf alone would be enough to be sliced in two by the blade, any sharp knife will cut silk.

As far as the italicized comment Damascus and pattern welded steels have come a long way in the last 25 years and not only is it beautiful with patterns limited only by the smith's imagination but when combined correctly with some of today's super steels you get extremely efficient cutting edges. Remember there's nothing mythical or magical about damascus blades, just people passing on stories about a steel they've heard about from someone else or it's someone who has a blade made of dubious materials.

PT, I hope I answered your question. MS, we all want to help each other learn about knives but continuing to pass on misinformation doesn't help the community. There's a lot of info out there but hen in doubt, go to the knife makes section and ask the experts, the guys who make the stuff. The great thing about BF is that those people are here and available to any member, all ya gotta do is ask.
No worries. Thank you for the further explanation and on the misinformation. I hope everyone get better understanding on the matter [emoji106]

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Your dad is sadly misinformed. Damascus steel isn't some magical steel. The current ones are mostly just for looks. Even the old ones with the lost technique of forging one was probably awesome back then, but most likely just alright based on today's technology and super steels.

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Simply untrue. Even though there's cheap "display only" damascus knives being produced in parts of the world, today's custom knifemakers are creating some of the finest quality damascus blades ever produced in history using basically
the same process used thousands of years ago.
In fact, the American Bladesmiths Society requires bladesmiths testing for their "Mastersmiths" certification to submit a "damascus" bladed knife for the performance test portion which has to pass to earn their "MS" stamp. This rigorous
testing includes the blade cleanly severing a hanging 1" hemp rope with a single slice, cutting through multiple 2x4s, and still being able to shave hair. Then the blade has to be able to bend to 90 degrees without cracking.
See video: https://youtu.be/fWNh6UvE8lA
 
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