Question about knife steel

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This is the first thread that I have ever posted, please forgive me if I messed up it's placement or subject. Here is my question. Is 01 carbon steel a good type of steel for a WSK blade? I will mainly be using the knife for chopping and cutting. If 01 carbon steel isn't suitable, what steel is? What is best for this type of knife? I really appreciate your help.
Ryan
 
o1 will do a good job for you. I have a Randall 5-4 that I've been using several years and it's done great for camping, hiking, hunting. Every thing from fuzz sticks to cleaning fish.
 
If you do not have a kiln or equivalent for heat treating use 1080 or 1084, O-1 needs a controlled soak at austentizing temperature to get the best results. Read the stickies on working with the three steel types, and fill out your profile. Welcome to Bladeforums

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Has anyone here used old Sawzall metal cutting blades to make knives? I have my son supplying me with old blades and I have made a couple of knives already. I was wondering if this steel is good quality for making knives.
 
Has anyone here used old Sawzall metal cutting blades to make knives? I have my son supplying me with old blades and I have made a couple of knives already. I was wondering if this steel is good quality for making knives.

No it isn't.

For one thing, all SawZall blades are not made the same or even from the same material. Second, it's already been treated for a specific purpose.

If you're just playing around, go ahead. if you want a real knife, use known steel.
 
The two knives that I created were made from the blades they use to cut steel. Those are the only blades I used. I understand that not all blades are the same. The knives I've made are plenty flexible and hold a razor sharp edge that you could shave with. I've made other knives using many different kinds of steels, no Damascus yet but, plan on it as soon as I have more time to devote. I plan on investigating the SawzAll matter more I feel that certain blades can be used.
 
Is 01 carbon steel a good type of steel for a WSK blade?

Absolutely, yes. It's reasonably tough, takes a very fine edge and is easy to sharpen. Just keep it clean.

It's also really easy to work with and can be polished up s pretty as you please. Have someone with experience help you with HT or just send it to a pro.
 
plan on it as soon as I have more time to devote. I plan on investigating the SawzAll matter more I feel that certain blades can be used.

That is really the bottom line with unknown steel, you need to do some testing and try a few HT methods to see what works. It can be worth it if you have alot of that type of steel and is of a size that you can use to make blades.

I just looked up some 1075/1080 and 1/8 x 2" x 60" is about $15.00 add $10 for shipping and you can make a pretty nice knife 12" long for $5.00 and know what steel you are using.

We see alot of posts on unknown steel and unfortunatly they are as unknown to us as they are to you.

Good luck
 
Thank you for the help and everyone's insight, I really appreciate it. I'm not making the knife myself, if I did that all I would end up with is a metal stick. I am having a knife made for me and the steel that is being used is the 01. I am not a knife maker and know very little about specific types of steel. I'll have to post a picture of the knife when I get it, it is going to be a WSK that is more dedicated to chopping than anything else.

Just to keep the thread going, what is the big deal with damascus steel? I know it looks great, but is it harder or more durable? What makes it so expensive?
 
Thank you for the help and everyone's insight, I really appreciate it. I'm not making the knife myself, if I did that all I would end up with is a metal stick. I am having a knife made for me and the steel that is being used is the 01. I am not a knife maker and know very little about specific types of steel. I'll have to post a picture of the knife when I get it, it is going to be a WSK that is more dedicated to chopping than anything else.

Just to keep the thread going, what is the big deal with damascus steel? I know it looks great, but is it harder or more durable? What makes it so expensive?

it looks great
it is a lot of work making it which is why it is so expensive, typically it takes me 20-40 hours to make a billet, the guys that make it professionally use powerhammers or forging presses

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You know, I don’t want to start yet another stink on this board since I have seen so many of them here that I keep my participation to a minimum anymore. I really wanted to just ignore this as much as so many other things but by addressing it perhaps we can make for a more positive experience for all who discuss things here. There is a classic exchange that seems to be human nature but leads to so much misunderstanding on these boards:

Poster A: “Do you folks think doing XXX would make a good knife?”

Poster B: “XXX won’t provide the qualities you want in a knife, it may be better to go with YYY and …”

Poster A: “XXX works fine for me, I have made really good knives that do all I want from doing XXX”

If poster “A” already had an answer that he was going stick with, what was it he wanted from his “question” again? A whole lot of trouble could be avoided of many people would simply ask themselves if they are really looking for an answer or just looking for validation for what they are going to do anyhow.

I am sorry for butting in and grumping, but I have spent too many years watching good input fade from these boards when people grew tired of having answers ungratefully slapped aside because they were not the answers the askers wanted to hear. Just something to think about people.
 
Now as to the original thread topic, I feel I should now contribute something to that since I butted in, Mr. Schwagster, I would like to help out on the O1 question but I have to confess to not keeping up with the acronym of the day, what is a WSK? You did mention that you want a chopper, while I would be willing to say the O1 can be used in such a blade, I would also want to see it done by a guy with good equipment, skills, controls and knowledge of that steel. All alloys have their inherent strengths due to their chemistry, O1 was not designed for heavy impact and sudden loading but instead for long term slicing and slitting that poses more problems of wear.

Some people compare O1 to something like L6 and pronounce it “brittle” but that is like comparing steel to stone in order to call steel “soft”. O1 can be plenty tough for knife type applications, just there are steels that are tougher- 5160, 1075, 1080, L6, 15n20 etc… However if O1 is not heat treated just right it can indeed be quite brittle and would not be at all suitable for a large blade, but if one really botches things up on 5160 it will still be a pretty tough blade.

On the Damascus thing- I get around twice as much from a damascus blade as I would from my carbon steel ones, and that is based upon the doubled work, materials and hours that go into making it. As far as stronger or better, it is still just steel, it has all the same strengths and weaknesses as the parent steels that went into its making. If the smith is really good one can expect the Damascus to be as good as a mono steel, but there are a load of things that can go wrong. But just like the whole O1 thing, real knife type applications won’t really push the material to the point that most of us will ever notice these differences.
 
For me the thing about damascus is obviously the appearance... but it's also a little more. Some of the original patterened steels were formed by forge welding rods of different materials in order to obtain the good qualities of each of the materials. Hardness and toughness together in one blade made for a superior weapon before we understood the properties of steel at a molecular level.

Today, damascus is less about obtaining the combinative qualities as it is about obtaining distinctive patterns... but for me the patterns are evocative of the past, and speak to me in a way that simple steel does not. That may just be rationalization (because, well, my wife will be the first to tell you I can rationalize any purchase I really WANT to make). One way or the other, though, I am a committed damascus user... for now, at any rate.

- Greg
 
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This is what google gave me.
Is that what you want?
 
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