Question about lube and dry film Teflon product

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For use in my Sebenza.Is Finish Line Bike Teflon-Plus and Finish Line Teflon Premium Grease for chains good as a pivot lube?
I have tried Tuf Glide and am looking for a Teflon grease. Anyone tried them?
Is a Floranated? Grease simply Teflon?
W.A.



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"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
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PTFE is a generic term for the chemical which is trademarked as Teflon.

Chris Reeve's fluorinated grease has PTFE in it.

Walt
 
General..
The Tuf-Glide doesnot provide adequate lubrication on the pivot washer..

The Sentry Solution Hi-Slip Greases works great.. (its charcoal grey though)
Provides superb lubrication even it severe cold temps..

The CRK Grease is excellent of course..

Take Care..

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Murray Haday
ProEdge Knives
www.proedgeknives.com
Tel: 905 328 8212
 
Finish Line brand products are excellent all purpose lubes. If specifically for the CR Sebenza a grease would do much better since it can be broken down by the user without much difficulty. If so I' d try some of the TriFlow brand clear grease specifically made for ball bearings and to a degree, cable lines. It is the most viscous bicyle grease I' ve ever used and has held up the best in all conditions. Take down and examination of wheel hubs, headsets and bottom brackets show very little breakdown and contamination, especially if seals are used. This may be a bit overkill for a folder but those are the facts.

L8r,
Nakano

PS- BTW, the contents label on TriFlow grease indicates that one of its components is of unknown oil!!
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So wouldn' t use it around food products.
 
General:
With all due respect get the grease from CRK. For $12.00 plus shipping they will send you a tube in a syringe that will last you many moons. Glad you like your Sebenza!
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I discovered that Tuf Glide was not working as well on my Sebi!

I will get some CR grease in the new year. I have tried the F Line and I have found them to be VERY good! Tell you what, I will look at the performance for a few days and post a report. Let me know If you want me to try any specific tests. Thanks as ever!

W.A.

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Review of Teflon Grease and Teflon Plus range from Finish Line.

Firstly I would like to say that I am reviewing this product for a few reasons. The Finish Line range is available in both the UK and the States. It can be bought at any good bike shop like Halfords. These products are Teflon based. I often hear about products such as Miltech and CRK Grease, and I ask myself, where can I get such products? Well the answer is not locally, easily or cheaply. So I wanted to find a reasonable and obtainable lube that worked reasonably well.

I normally use Tuf Glide on my blades. After a few months use with it I have found it does work well on most blades. Since getting my Classic Sebi I have noticed it was not working very well. I think it is something to do with the washers. Anyway I tried a Silicone grease and Tuf Glide combo. This worked on most of my knives in the past. I noticed that after a few weeks the TG and Grease were breaking down, and failing to perform as well. The silicone was ‘clumping’ and the TG was not doing the job with the Sebi.

Anyhow, the Premium Grease is a med viscosity white synthetic grease containing Teflon. It is claimed that it will not run or break down (clumping as I call it) when hot or cold. Even under very high pressure it will hold together. This product is designed for use in bike chains and piston suspensions. The need to resist dirt and water is important on a bike chain as it is in a pocketknife. I am tired of cleaning pocket lint from a pivot and handle. I have not noticed any more or less problems with this product compared to any other lube. In fact it seems fine. The product is claimed to work 100% fine even underwater and will not allow water to break it down, it is also claimed to resist dirt and mud, staying cleaner than oil. I have to say I have not noticed this one way or the other. One thing of import, this product is non-toxic, this is important, very important. I am sure you can work out why. The grease does in fact provide good lubrication, I have noticed how smooth it makes even tight knives feel.

The grease is easy to use and stays put. You get a lot for little money, far more than I will use in years. The Teflon Plus product is rather more interesting. It comes in a pressurised container with a little straw. Think of it as like WD-40 or GT-85. However there is a huge difference here. Products such as WD-40 and Gt-85 are synthetic oil that lubricate and stay wet or leave a slight film of protection. GT-85 also uses Teflon. TP does not work quite like this; in fact, while it squirts into tight spots as a liquid, it is a dry protectorant. By this, I mean the finished product is a light grease which is Teflon rich. This has many advantages. The first being it offers a lot more protection than an oil or similar fluid. Secondly when you use the pressurised product, you flush out the debris and replace it with a more viscose product than WD-40 for example. This lets you get right to the impossible spots inside the pivot, without the need to strip a knife. This is great for Spyderco knives with a rivet, and blades that have poor Torx screws (my D2 KaBar folder, cannot open it, thread lost on screw), or if you are feeling lazy and just want to give it a quick blast. Thus the product cleans, protects and stays where is should.

I have tested the two products hand in hand and have found the TP to be a real winner, two or three applications really gives you a very smooth action on a knife, the dry film Teflon seems to stay put. The Grease product seems fine for what it is, it certainly does the job and I think works very well with the TP product.

I have sprayed a little TP on a bit of metal and watched it dry. I think an alcohol-based carrier is used to keep it in a liquid form. When it dries Teflon grease is left behind. Moving it with my finger suggest it is a light grease and is not as thick as the Premium Grease product. I do not see this as a problem, however.

As a final note, I have used both products on the following-

BM 710 M2
BM 800 M2
Spyderco Mil CPM-440V
Spyderco Endura ATS-55
KA-BAR D2 Extreem Folder D2
Chris Reeve Large Classic Sebenza 2000

I have found they are all a little smoother than before, the Sebi much more so.
Any comments or questions are very welcome.
Hope it helps!

W.A.



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"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
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Militec on the washers, the pivot. I use it to coat the blade edge as well. Check out the specs at http://www.militec-1.com/. I have no relation to these folks, just a satisfied customer. One small bottle will treat a hundred or more knives. You use the tiniest bit!


 
Thanks I will take a look.

W.A.

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"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
Ranger motto
 
Somehow I managed to lose this thread over the holidays!! What I had intended to comment on was that the fluorinated grease that we sell has exactly the same chemical composition as Teflon but, because of a variety of licensing issues, we cannot use the name "Teflon". It is made for us by an authorized agent of DuPont and so it is not a knock-off product but we cannot use that particular trade name.

We have tried multitudes of different lubricants on our knives and have come to the conclusion that the grease we use and sell is the best suited to our knives.

Anne
 
Fair enough Anne. I just thought I would show a product that is available on most normal shop shelfs and esp in the UK. I will get some of your grease but for now this has done the job amazingly well. The knife was painful to open one handed, it is now reallt smooth. I tried slackening the pivot screw, but it just became very very loose fast! I have had to put a drop of Locktite on the thread to keep it in place.

W.A.

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"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
Ranger motto
 
The Sebenza is not designed to open more smoothly by loosening off the pivot. The pivot screw should be firmly tightened with the supplied allen wrench - it need not be super tight. Locktite is really not necessary. (As an aside, it is Chris' opinion that the pivot screw on a folding knife should never be designed for tension of the blade.)

My guess is that you have also become more adept at opening the knife with one hand as our experience has us understanding that many people have an initial problem with the circular, sideways opening motion that opens a Sebenza easily. There is often a tendency to push down on the thumblug, which makes the knife difficult to open.

Enjoy your Sebenza!
Anne
 
Ah, here comes trouble...

I did remove the Locktite and replaced the screw at 'tight'. It is not over tight just a slight twist. The blade is now very very stiff. Quite painful to open after the third attempt one handed. I guess I will have to wait for it to break in. Tightening the screw does make the knife much much harder to open. When I take the tightness off slightly, the blade is very smooth. The screw can then however come loose, hence the Locktite! Ah well no doubt this will be seen as me causing trouble.

W.A.

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"To strive to seek to find and not to yield"
Tennyson
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I talked with Bill Wilson about this. He sells his own brand grease in a syringe.
It is really just Lithium bearing grease that you can buy cheap in any auto parts store by the can and fill your syringe.
Bill is a straight shooter. What he is selling is convienience.
This is probably true of Chris`s grease as well. I don`t know.
 
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