Question about model 14 can openers

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So I have read that the can openers can date these knives and I know the old version from the newer one. My question is what time frame did they switch? I just picked up a nice bone handle utility with the old style opener but it has a 3 line stamp. Not the one with Camillus underlined, just Camillus , New York , USA .

So....would you date it as immediate post war or what? I'll post some pics later tonight. Thanks gentlemen.

Tony
 
Utility Patent number 2,391,732 for the improved safety can opener was applied for on November 7th, 1944 and issued on December 25th, 1945. Normally a patent must be filed within one year of first use. So the actual design may have been produced as early as late 1943.

HOWEVER... (and this is where it gets interesting), the patent was applied for by it's inventor, Michael Mirando. He was a principal owner of Imperial Knives Associated Companies.

IKAC, at that time, included Imperial Knife Company, Inc. and Ulster Knife Company, Inc. Since they were the holders of the new Mirando patent, Camillus could not have used it without purchasing licensing rights.

Now, though the war had just about ended, a hot but quiet feud between Albert Baer (Ulster owner and partner of the Mirandos) and the Kastor brothers begun in 1939 had not ended. It is my opinion that the earliest Camillus (A. Kastor & Sons) might have obtained licensing to the Mirando patent would have been circa 1948, if not a few years later. The improved opener does appear in my copy of the 1951 Camillus Cutlery Company catalog.

John Goins Encyclopedia of Cutlery Markings dates the stamp you described to 1946-1956. As Tom Williams has told me often, take this with a grain of salt. Camillus was known to use older stamped blades after new ones had been introduced.

So there is the approximate earliest your knife might have been made assuming that the opener blade and master blade are both original to the knife.

Codger
 
Tony, I only gave you some background on the invention. I am certainly not an expert and have not seen your knife.

For the best answer, post several good pictures and wait for an expert (such as Mr. Williams, Mr.Gibbs etc.)to confirm the approximate date your particular knife may have been manufactured. I would be very interested to learn exactly when Camillus did begin licensed use of the Mirando patent.

Codger
 
Camillus used several styles of can-openers. Here is a brief summary:

#1 spear shaped can-opener with a stud as used on the WWI Marlin Spike knife that was made for the British and Canadian Navies
#2 pointed can-opener that cut upwards-used before WWII
#3 U-shaped can-opener as seen on WWII camp knives
#4 2 piece can-opener that was introduced in 1944
#5 1 piece can-opener that was used from the late 1940's-this would be the can-opener used in the all metal MIL-K knives

I can provide you with more information after I see the photos that you are posting.

Tom Williams
 
Government specifications switched to the one piece safety can opener in 1944. With the war and government procurement the Patent didn't matter, all makers could use that pattern. When the war ended and commercial production again resumed they had to revert back to the old styles until the Patent expired or they licensed it from Imperial.

The main point being that during the war, government procurement switched to the safety can opener in 1944 and used it in all the knives regardless of who the manufacturer was.

All the best
Frank Trzaska
 
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