question about panerai

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so i've somewhat kicked the idea around of purchasing a panerai. great look, simple, elegant, supposedly rugged, etc etc...

my question is, what exactly is so great about panerai? i read the wiki about panerai, and please do not tell me that these watches are 4k+ because sylvester stallone prefers them. did panerai have much of a history before 1995, or a good reputation, or anything like that?

i really like the luminor base watch. i'm going to be crushed if it's 5k because sylvester stallone buys them and the watch has been seen in a few unrelated movies.
 
Panerais are beautiful watches. I would love to have one, but there is no way I'm spending that much unless I win the lottery. The company does have some history, and I think they were used by Italian military divers in WWII. It seems they got popular a few years ago, and are seen as a trendy, yuppy watch. Doesn't mean it's not a good brand, but it probably is a bit overpriced.

i'm going to be crushed if it's 5k because sylvester stallone buys them and the watch has been seen in a few unrelated movies.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I think that's exactly what it is. Jason Statham is a big fan and IIRC he wore a Panerai in "The Transporter" and "The Transporter II."
 
Where to begin. :confused:

Panerai first became popular in the late 1990s. Panerai really weren't in the public eye until much later, at first they were just popular in the watch world. Yes, Stallone and Arnold wearing them in movies was part of the reason they became popular but not the whole reason. They were the first large watch and started a trend that nearly every watch company has followed. Panerai induce a passion in watch people that is hard to explain.

Before 1995 very few people had ever heard of Panerai. The watches were only issued to Italian Naval Commandos. Panerai also made depth gauges and flashlights for the divers and different sighting devices for ships.

They are a fairly safe buy in the watch world, as the demand outstrips the supply and to use a knife analogy, like a Busse if you don't like it you can often sell it for more than you paid for it. I can remember when you could buy a pre-Vendome Panerai for $2500 or so...some of those models now sell for more than $20,000! Obviously the older models appreciate more but even the current models hold their value quite well.

I am a watch nut and have owned a Panerai. I sold it at profit. I loved the watch but in the end I decided it was just too big for my wrist.

Are they worth $5k? Only you can really decide that. Even though I love watches and own several expensive ones, I'm not sure most luxury watches are worth what they cost. It hasn't kept me from buying or lusting after them though. :)

Paneristi is the best place to learn some more and witness the passion they invoke.
 
i have a pan GMT w/a leather band and its been a good watch, had it for ~10 yrs now, my wife used to wear it occasionally & it looked imho "odd" on a 5'2 110 lb women but it was supposedly "trendy" for women to wear large (IIRC 44MM) watches lol.

but its been a good one for sure, i prefer my rolex GMT to it though, mostly just cause i prefer the rolex's looks some, but the pan is a good one.

arnold wore a pan in some movie, cant recall which one now,
 
The dirty secret about most fine watches, and this is a tough one to come to terms with when you're a watch guy, is that almost none of them are worth the money charged for them.

And yet that shouldn't stop you from buying one if you love it, and it makes you happy.

Put it this way; is a Strider, a CRK, a Busse worth the money charged for one? In other words, did it cost enough to make it, that with a reasonable profit for maker and dealer plus cost of materials the knife equals exactly what you pay for one at the checkout line? No, and it doesn't really matter, because the guys that own them get a product experience, and for that matter a product that makes them happier than even a seemingly identical one from someone else. That's not even to say that they're not all nice knives, they absolutely are.

In the same way, a Panerai, an Rolex, or an Omega (for example) are all nice watches, and none of them are worth the money charged for them. People should still buy them if it makes them happy, and gives them a product experience they wouldn't be as satisfied with had they bought another watch.

Panerai's, even though they use relatively inexpensive movements (I've heard they're starting to build their own, but that's almost irrelevant in the grand scheme) are really nice watches. They will almost certainly last you your lifetime, and then some, with proper maintenence. Frankly a "better built" watch may actually need more maintenence to keep ticking. Ever known a guy with a Patek, or a hand-made German watch made by some magic elf in the Black Forest? Those watches are like Ferraris, they are bred to do things that other ostensibly similar things are not bred to do. As a result, they need CONSTANT maintenance, they leak in the rain, they get horrible gas mileage, the parts are horrendously expensive, and good luck using one as your commuter car (or EDC watch) without having a couple backups. You know what? They're still awesome. Totally, horrendously, unbelievably overpriced and overhyped, but show me a guy who says he genuinely doesn't want one, even if it were free, and I'll show you a new kind of buffoon.

What you need to do is keep looking for watches that speak to you (unless the Panerai already sings loudly) and ask a few questions, read a few responses, and then ask your watch dealer or maker of choice if the one you've chosen seems to have good reliability, easy and quick service (preferably reasonably priced, including parts) etc. You will get people that say that any watch, I don't care the brand, price or model is either the best thing since sliced bread, or the worst thing since bread mold. Somewhere in the middle is the answer, just like it is with all things. Your local watch dealer who actually services watches will be a great person to ask, unless he's a crook. If nothing else, call up Alex Watchworks in Portland, OR and talk to either the watch makers or the owner. They will tell you if your choice of watch seems well built, if parts are easily available without shipping the watch half-way across the globe for untold amounts of money, and if in the grand scheme of things the watch is "worth" the money. Frankly Watchworks will probably tell you to buy a Bell & Ross, but even though those are awesome watches, they don't sing to me, I have no idea what they do for you.

Once you make a decision, be open to new ideas until you buy the watch. After that, pay no attention to anybody else's opinion, and don't try to pretend that yours matters more than others'. It's just a watch, and one that you liked when you paid the bill. If you spend all your time second-guessing your decision, you are almost certain to come to the conclusion that you made the wrong decision, which is untrue. If the watch sang to you, and seemed like a halfway decent choice, there is no more important proof that you, personally, at that particular time, made the right decision. You can always buy another watch, but in the meantime, you'll have a cool one on your wrist. There are some things in life that you can second guess; your choice of bread, your choice of wine, maybe even your choice of wife. Watches, in the absolute grand scheme of things, do not matter one tiny little bit; they're just possessions, and there will always be a chance to fix any tiny little mistakes that you MIGHT have made some time in the future.

Buy and enjoy.
 
There is nothing unique about Panerai. They make beautiful watches though. If you like the watch, buy it. If you’re not sure, don’t.

With Panerai, like with most brands, you’re paying for the name and the design. But I must admit I really, really like the way they look.

You might want to look at The Oris Artelier Chronograph with a black dial. It’s big (44 mm) and has a rounded, clean lines. It’s probably less than half of what you would pay for the Panerai. The non chronograph Arteliers are even less expensive but slightly smaller.

The Maurice Lacroix Pontos line also has a few oversized chronographs, even more affordable than the Artelier, but quality watches from a brand that is getting better (and more expensive) all the time. If you want to go really big: check out the Pontos with the Valgranges movement.

Rafael
 
i dunno...

still on the fence about it.

even if i do, it'll be a still a few months into the future.

plus, it'd be out of place. i'm in iraq right now. it's ironic that these watches are built tough and formerly military watches, but i sure as hell wouldn't feel right wearing one in this environment, or in my line of work.

kind of like my hinderer xm-18, which is very much a military-oriented knife, but i still keep it pristine in my footlocker.

sigh.
 
The best of luck! And if you like the Panerai get one, as a reward for past bravery, when you're out of Iraq.

Rafeal
 
plus, it'd be out of place. i'm in iraq right now. it's ironic that these watches are built tough and formerly military watches, but i sure as hell wouldn't feel right wearing one in this environment, or in my line of work.

Interesting. When I went to Desert Storm I didn't think twice about wearing my Rolex. I wanted a watch that was tough and reliable and I didn't have to worry about the battery dying. It served me well and never missed a beat.

I know of several people on Paneristi that wore their's to Iraq.
 
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