Question about the tenatious folder

J-siah

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I was just sitting here wondering why the tenatious folder is not a byrd knife. It is in the same price range, made with the same materials and made outside the US. I just bought my first spyderco and take pride in the fact that it says "Golden, Colorado U.S.A. Earth" on the side of it. I liked the fact that spyderco made a new name for its knives made outside the US, but this new knife from china is franchised by spiderco and not byrd.

I love spiderco, and will continue buying there products. however I believe that this was an error, I will not be buying a tenatious folder. If I want a cheep knife I will by a Byrd.

Im not trying to rock the boat or piss anyone off, just throwing that out there. If there is a good reason for spyderco conducting themselves this way please fill me in.
 
You're a little late to the party:

There seems to be some questions that have already come up regarding the “Tenacious” model. Apparently a PDR consumer catalog accidentally went out with some customer service orders and information has been circulating in our forums about some of the models. The Tenacious being one.

The Tenacious is a “round hole” Spyderco brand model that is made in Mainland China.

While the “general” market could care less about where a model is made, I felt that I owed an explanation to the forumites that frequent our forums.

As most of you know, Spyderco has avoided making any Spyderco brand models in Mainland China. I have personally fought this for many years. We created and developed the entire line of “byrd” brand for that purpose. Those of you that own byrd” models know the quality and designs are quite nice, especially considering the price.

We have decided that we will have to make at least one “round hole” Spyderco model in China. It was something that we had hoped to avoid, but circumstances have forced the issue. Reasons include:

1. All of our competitors are building in China (Buck, Gerber, Columbia River, Benchmade, Cold Steel, Kershaw, etc.) using their trade names. (I think we are the last “hold out”). Major customers (chains) have been asking us to compete in that arena and they feel that our “inexpensive” models (Endura, Delica, etc.) are too expensive to compete.

2. The large chains require large volume and will not tolerate missing or delaying shipments. Our current makers of Spyderco brand models do not have the capacity to service these large customers. Even our own factory in Golden has to push hard to service Wal-Mart with the one model they carry (the Native).

3. The small specialty cutlery shops are shrinking regularly, I think because of the internet and the big chains. This leaves fewer customers capable of stocking and selling the more expensive Spyderco’s.

4. One of the reasons is that there is another knife company making “round hole” models in China and we must compete against our own “look” that are being sold at much lower prices. Looking like Spyderco is popular these days.

I imagine some of you might hate me for going in this direction, (my apologies JD). Some of you will not care. Some of you will understand and not hold it against us. It will help us survive in a very competitive environment.

The “Tenacious” is an “in-house” design that Eric and I created. It is a 3.25” blade, Walker Linerlock. G-10 scales, dual Skeletonized full liners. 4 way clip with all screw construction. Full flat grind. The edge is sharp to the handle. Steel on this intro model is 8Cr13MoV.

We worked on the design and with the maker for over a year, continually refining until we were satisfied that we had a highly functional, ergonomic, strong, safe package, and we can deliver high volume if called for.

We hope it will compete favorably. MSRP is under $50.

We will try to post some pics later today.

sal
 
I find this unfortunate, but I will be in the group that understands and doesn't hold it against them. I will continue to buy US made spydercos for as long as they are avalible ;)
 
[...]I liked the fact that spyderco made a new name for its knives made outside the US[...]


You do realize that the major part of Spyderco's current lineup is made in Seki City, JAPAN, don't you?
Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion, but I wanted to emphasize this fact.

I own a Tenacious, and it is >95% Spyderco quality (I'm used to smaller clip screw holes and finer jimping), but it stays what it is: a chinese made knife.

Dennis
 
You do realize that the major part of Spyderco's current lineup is made in Seki City, JAPAN, don't you?
Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion, but I wanted to emphasize this fact.

I own a Tenacious, and it is >95% Spyderco quality (I'm used to smaller clip screw holes and finer jimping), but it stays what it is: a chinese made knife.

Dennis
And some of the ones in current production which are not made in Seki City are made in Taiwan and others are made in Italy. Only a small percentage of Spyderco's models have been manufactured in the USA.

For the record, everyone who has handled the Tenacious so far has found it to be of excellent quality, and built to a higher standard of fit and finish than the Byrd line.

But, as has been said before, it's your money and you can spend it on whatever you wish or not.
 
Just got my Tenacious from Grand Prairie this evening......plainedge..... Vivi was spot on with his review.....this Tenacious is amazing for the price.....Fit and finish is definitely above the Byrds...and the G-10 handles have a better "texture" /more grippy than that of the Byrds (e.g. the G10 Flight).... great job by Spyderco.....I'm Waay impressed :thumbup::cool:
 
well if me putting a space between out and side is my only mistake them I am going to go get a cookie.

I did know that a lot of spyderco knives came from Japan, however I have no issues supporting the Japanese economy. I do however try to avoid supporting economys like China's or pakistans.

I believe you that the tenatious is spyderco quality, infact after reading that quote from sal, I would not feel guilty buy one. One thing I do like about it is that makes a great opportunity to gift a spyderco to introduce new people to spyderco quality knives.
 
Its a sweet knife no matter how you cut it frankly. Its FFG, 4 way, g10, open backed construction with over 3" of sharp, one of the smartest spyders out there regardless of origin in my book.
 
I was just sitting here wondering why the tenatious folder is not a byrd knife. It is in the same price range, made with the same materials and made outside the US. I just bought my first spyderco and take pride in the fact that it says "Golden, Colorado U.S.A. Earth" on the side of it. I liked the fact that spyderco made a new name for its knives made outside the US, but this new knife from china is franchised by spiderco and not byrd.

I love spiderco, and will continue buying there products. however I believe that this was an error, I will not be buying a tenatious folder. If I want a cheep knife I will by a Byrd.

Im not trying to rock the boat or piss anyone off, just throwing that out there. If there is a good reason for spyderco conducting themselves this way please fill me in.

I did know that a lot of spyderco knives came from Japan,
Dang, you could have fooled me. Hope you can at least see how that statement in your initial post could make people think you assumed that all Spydercos except the Tenacious were made in Golden. Sal explained his reasons for making the Tenacious in China, not that he owed you, me, or anyone else one. Someone posted the gist of that in response to your question.

Like I said, your money, your choice, but at least now you know a bit more about both the knife, and the "why".

Paul
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The Tenatious is far and away the best made Chinese knife I have ever owned or handled. Sal should be proud of the fact that he maintained his standards totally with the making of this knife. Except for blade steel and dual liners instead of a nested liner, the Tenatious is totally on par with the lfagship G10 liner locks like the Millitary and Paramilitary (I know it's actually a compression lock.)
 
The Tenatious is far and away the best made Chinese knife I have ever owned or handled. Sal should be proud of the fact that he maintained his standards totally with the making of this knife. Except for blade steel and dual liners instead of a nested liner, the Tenatious is totally on par with the lfagship G10 liner locks like the Millitary and Paramilitary (I know it's actually a compression lock.)

+1 :thumbup:
 
Great information, esp. Sal's response.

For a long time I bought my knives paid for with hard earned cash only from US manufacturers. What I own, mainly, are Benchmades. Last year when the Vex came out, I swore I wouldn't touch one even if it DID look like a nice knife. Well, a few months later that changed. I bought one and was both pleased and surprised at it's quality. For what it costs, and what it is, most people would appreciate it. Good steel, nice G-10 and decent fit and finish, esp. after the first production bugs were addressed.

I've been doing a lot of reading about the Tenacious. Being an older guy, I admit it took about two weeks for me to remember the name of it without going to the Spyderco site, but this morning I did remember it and am now in the process of finding one.

A number of my Benchmade friends own Spyderco's...the military models are very popular, and I really don't think anyone produces a better lock-back.

So now it's off to find one, which isn't very easy at the moment...

Joe
 
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