Question about Tom Brown Courses

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Has anybody taken any course from Tom Brown? Which ones? How were they?
And now the critical question: DO YOU HAVE TO EAT BUGS? :barf:

Thanks in advance.
 
I've taken 5--Standard, Advanced Standard, Advanced Tracking & Nature Awareness, Scout, and Way of the Scout. If you like his books and agree with his philosophy, you'll like the classes. If you don't agree with his outlook on life/nature, it will be a waste of money for you to go. If you are into fighting against nature and bending it to your will, the eternal struggle of man vs nature, survival is a fight, etc, you will hate the classes.

The classes are very intense, but in different ways. Standard is almost all lecture (you'll get enormous amounts of information) whereas the other classes are much more experiential.

No, you don't have to eat bugs.

If you like Tom Brown's books and have the chance to go, it's an awesome experience.

Marjorie
 
Even though I think TB's books about his experiences with Grandfather etc. are pure fiction, I do like his outlook on living with nature. TB is also a great tracker, no doubt. He learned most of his wilderness skills from Larry Dean Olsen, in my opinion, and a lot of the philosophy (TB attended LDO's "Rabbitstick" gatherings for years before publishing his first book.). LDO is the real "Grandfather" in my opinion.

Take the legends and stories with a grain of salt, but enjoy his philosophy, and you can learn from him. Beware some of the TB-worshipping junkies that attend his class. They look at him as the next prophet of the Creator (God) and it gets a little "religio-cultish" on their part. He doesn't indulge it so much, but with a legend like he's created, these kinds of followers, well...follow...

Enjoy,

Brian.
 
Sorry Stormbringer -- I was abbreviating! LOL!

TB = Tom Brown

LDO = Larry Dean Olsen

Rabbitstick is the name of an annual gathering that LDO (see above ;)) holds each year out west. It's a national gathering of people to practice aboriginal and primitive skills. Rabbitstick is also another term for a throwing stick.

I'll find LDO's web link and post it here in the thread.

Best,

Brian.
 
Welcome to BFC, Marjorie!

Somehow, when I saw the title of this thread I knew I'd find you in here!
:D

GREAT to see you posting here and I hope you become a "regular."

BIG smile!
HUGE smile!

For those who haven't figured it out yet, Marjorie is a very dear friend of mine, both in realtime and online. She's a fascinating and very fun person to have at your campfire.
:D
 
Ken,

Thanks for doing that -- I was remiss in welcoming Marjorie to our scruffy little bunch here in the wilderness forum!

So, Welcome, Marjorie!

Best,

Brian.
 
I bought Tom Brown's Field Guide to Wilderness Survival in 1985 and still have it. It is perhaps my favorite basic book on the subject. The illustrations in his manuel are very pleasing.

As for the legends, I don't get too excited over those but I like his wilderness attitudes and some of his philosophy.

It is said that "bugs" are the best source of food in a survival situation. Pass the Tobasco sauce please.
 
I think I've read everything Tom Brown has written, I've learned quite a bit from doing so. I think that he uses the character "Grandfather" as a vehicle to convey his philosophies, and that these stories aren't meant to be taken literally. I've never attended any of his courses, they're pretty much beyond my means money and time wise, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
 
I've never taken any of his courses either, but a couple of his books were the texts for some survival classes I took in college. I had always been an "outdoors" guy, and I credit TB's books with making me a "wilderness" guy. His philosophies matched my own hunting ethic, and are very useful in debates with militant vegans.
 
Mr. Jones is it accurate to say that the Mr. Larry Dean Olson courses available at the Website you posted cost $15,750, and Tom Brown's courses cost about $750?

Thank you,
bug
 
I didn't look, bug, but I will. I have no idea what LDO charges for courses. I sensing you think i'm adversarial towards TB Jr., so just in case, let me explain further.

If Larry Dean Olsen IS Grandfather, or the source of that info, then Tom Brown picked a very knowledgeable person as his mentor.

I think Tom Brown's courses are great -- don't get me wrong. His philosophy is a BIG influence on how I look at the world in general, and nature in particular. Native American spiritualism is very near and dear to my heart, since some NA blood runs in my veins. I like his philosophy from that point of view, and how it fits into the pragmatic use and conservation of resources.

I have friends who were TB Jr.'s former instructors, and some current. They taught me a great deal about living in the wilderness, as opposed to surviving short term. In fact, two of them live a homestead lifestyle in upstate NY, no electricity, and use much of the land for their resources. They give back more than they take. Their living and tracking skills are superbly honed. Tom Brown's teachings are put to practice in their every day life, and the teachings work superbly in that daily life.

Tom Brown seems like a nice guy, and I believe that he really is striving to do good with his teaching. I just think he overdid the legends (he could have just said the legends were an amalgam of many teachers and readings, as was suggested above). There are many contradictions in his stories, but the stories brilliantly illustrate his philosophy, and help impart what he is trying to teach. I also respect him because he says "don't take my word for it -- do the dirt time and decide for yourself." So that's cool.

Most of TB Jr.'s students are very capable, and have their lives together -- in balance. However, I've met quite a few others who worship him without question -- like they are looking for a God to follow -- without even testing his philosophies or doing any dirt time. They take all his courses, but don't pracitce anything. It's like they are desperately looking to belong to something; a cult, or a drug. I heard that he hates that. That's why I warned people to watch out that they don't fall into that. The worshippers I'm talking about tend not to have their lives together, etc. If they didn't latch onto TB Jr., then it would be someone else, some religion, some other leader to help them avoid having to take responsibility for their own lives. I simply find it somewhat pathetic, and hope they find themselves someday. It's not TB Jr.'s fault -- although the kind of enigamtic legends he created tend to attract those types.

Hope this clears up and explains my views on TB Jr. a little better.

All the Best,

Brian.
 
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