Question about TTI swiss tool cs plus

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Hello there,
i curently have a LM cs4 and am very happy with it.
Sorry if my questions have been asked already but as one of them was quite specific i though i d ask the other with it

Now i m considering buying a bigger more robust tool with more features i m considering two guys The LM charge TTi and the swiss tool cs plus

i know the cs plus is considered better (resilient) but i m not going to any lost island and i take quite good care of my tools :D moreover i like the look of the leatherman better (i know i know ... ) in fact i fear the weight of the cs plus (the whole package MT + accompanying tools)

a few questions then
Does the TTi really has a ruler as said in the manual, i couldn t find any picture showing the ruler.

what is the quality of the bits / bit driver on the TTi ?

Help me tip the balance one way or the other please :D


thank you
 
Boiled down, I would pick the TTI over the Swisstool simply for the one hand opening blades. It does indeed have a ruler but it's on the inside of the handles unlike the Swisstool where it's located on the outside. I for one am completely 110% happy with the way Leatherman does thier bits, I have serveral tools of thier that use thier bit exchanger and have even purchased the extra bits to cover most of what you deal with on an average basis. The bits are made of SBoiled down, I would pick the TTI over the Swisstool simply for the one hand opening blades. It does indeed have a ruler but it's on the inside of the handles unlike the Swisstool where it's located on the outside. I for one am completely 110% happy with the way Leatherman does thier bits, I have serveral tools of thier that use thier bit exchanger and have even purchased the extra bits to cover most of what you deal with on an average basis. The bits are made of S2 tool steel, most screwdrivers in multitools are not made of tool steel, rather stainless that has been properly heat treated to handle the load. As for the CS Plus, it's a big boy! The sheath and tool combined make a quite a package and you can tackle anything that's thrown at you. I really would push for the Charge (Mine is an XTi not a TTI) but the Swisstool can hold it's own.
(here are some pics for you)

David

Swisstool_CS_Plus2.jpg

CS_Plus_Sheath.jpg

Swisstool_CS_Plus.jpg

Charge_XTi.jpg

Charge_XTi_Rruler.jpg

Charge_Driver.jpg

Leatherman_Bitkit.jpg
 
wow many thanks, it answers my questions very well moreover i forgot to mention another pro for TTi you reminded me of : the one handed oppening. Well i guess i m all set with this :)
 
Hello there,
i curently have a LM cs4 and am very happy with it.
Sorry if my questions have been asked already but as one of them was quite specific i though i d ask the other with it

Now i m considering buying a bigger more robust tool with more features i m considering two guys The LM charge TTi and the swiss tool cs plus

i know the cs plus is considered better (resilient) but i m not going to any lost island and i take quite good care of my tools :D moreover i like the look of the leatherman better (i know i know ... ) in fact i fear the weight of the cs plus (the whole package MT + accompanying tools)

a few questions then
Does the TTi really has a ruler as said in the manual, i couldn t find any picture showing the ruler.

what is the quality of the bits / bit driver on the TTi ?

Help me tip the balance one way or the other please :D


thank you

To answer your questions; an 8 inch ruler is scribed on the handle edges. They are not visible when the tool is folded. Spread the handles and you got a measuring instrument, not the easiest to use, but doable.

Couldn't give you a good answer on bit/driver quality because I haven't yet been in a situation where they were stressed to the max. For my "normal" use, both have held up well. The black goes fast. It doesn't take much to get them down to bare metal.

There was a time I had both. After using them for a while, I settled on the Ti (similar previous model) because it was easier and more convenient to carry, especially with the pocket clip, was equipped with true needlenose pliers that opened wider than the Swisstool's, better screwdrivers, and one hand blade opening (one of them premium steel, no less :thumbup:), even with gloves on. This was huge for me, as you have to remove gloves to open any Swisstool implement, and better bring strong nails to the job. One afternoon project in the rain with wet fingernails taught me that. After a while, the convenience of one hand opening became addictive.

All that said, I admired my Swisstool until the day I sold it. In fact, I almost had cold feet on the sale. Just before it had to go to the post office,
there was a small chore to be performed, installing curtain rod holders into a wood window frame using ph screws. Normally I am not too lazy to walk the three steps it would have taken to my tool box, but for nosatalgia's sake, I hauled out the Swisstool for one last job. Then, after it kept continually slipping out of the cross heads unless jammed in hard, I substituted my Leatherman instead, which drove those suckers in, no nonsense, like a dedicated tool, and a good quality one at that. It was a fitting end to my relationship with the Swisstool. I didn't even bother to say goodbye ;).

In brute strength, the Swisstool is undoubtedly the stronger, but a Charge is tough enough, up to just about anything normally done with a multitool. Usually, multitools are used for light duty, unanticipated fixes or tinkering. After all, if it were a truly serious job, wouldn't you have brought dedicated tools?

Like any consumer product, the TTi has its pluses and not so much. What matters more or less is up to the individual. My pet peeve; no awl :grumpy:, but not a deal breaker. OTOH, some people don't even know what an awl is used for. Also, the scissors are too small, although that's less of a concern for me.

On balance, I recommend the Charge. Now, someone will post about the virtues of the Vic and you will be back to square one. Glad I could help :D

lol, I started writing this before the replies, so I guess late again.
 
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Hi,

I collect both Leatherman and Vic products. I really like the charge in any of the forms that it takes. Compact, reasonable weight, great tool selection and while the bit drivers are a bit short, the bit extender is an inexpensive option.

I now have 16 different Charge models in my collection and hope that Leatherman will continue to add to the variations.

Cheers - Joe
 
all right, then i m all set, i just purchased a TTi from ebay with additionnal bits ;)

thanks again for the input guys.
 
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