Question for Eric Noeldechen/Also, take a look!

Running Dog

Running Dog

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Speaking with Victor Kelly yesterday, he mentioned something about you having some treatment to blacken hardware...

Did I hear him right?

Also check out this little "Kiss" sheath...I made some for a show and sold them all in the first hour! I guess I'll make sone more...

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I hope this link works...I'm trying a new service to post pictures on the Web...

Running Dog



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Hi Mike...

Yes you have heard correctly. I can do Black Oxide on hardware,, but it is a little more complicated than I first thought when I talked to Victor.
I was hopeing to be able to set Victor up with it,, but it turned out that my experiments on eyelets and screws didn't work outside of my shop.

I can do them at my shop by first giving them a quick strike plate with bronze and them putting them in the Black Oxide,, but without the initial bronze strike,, it won't work for some reason.

I think it has something to do with the brass that is used.

My intention was that Victor could do all the black Oxide on the eyelets at his shop with Very few chemicals or tools,, but by the looks of it,, it may not work that way.

I can still do them,, but I have to plate them first quickly...

Mike,, why what was your interest in Black Ox ? Can I help you with something ??

As far as your neck sheath goes for the KISS,, looks great...
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ttyle Eric....

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Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical
http://www.mnsi.net/~nbtnoel
Custom made, High Quality
Concealex Sheaths and Tool Holsters
Canada's Only Custom Concealex Shop!

 
Mike, nice sheath! You used glue, too, so it must be very light and low-pro! Sweet! Maybe this is a dumb question, but what's wrong with the black hardware Victor already sells? Also, if you find aluminum stuff, it can easily be anodized black. I have a source written somewhere for black anodized hardware, but the screw heads are noticeably larger than the Blade-Tech ones...

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Hey Eric...

I'm always looking after new hardware ideas...The lifeblood of any business...

Mostly, I have been looking for SS eyelets of something similer...I can try the black moly I use on the blades, but it tends to wear off of polished SS so I was looking for new ideas...

Chiro! No glue man! This sheath is trick in how it works...just the 80 thou Concealex and the neck cord...nothing else!

The knife will not pull down without conciderable force, but it kicks out the side with just the right amount of retention...

I liked the balisong sheaths that were posted earlier...Le minimum as they say (?)

I'm getting a "Peck" this weekend and I plan to do the same thing with it...this will make for a very nice carry, IMO...

BTW, take a sneak peek at our new knife...

The Jr. Executive (tada!)

<img src=http://www.photoloft.com/exportImage.asp?s=plft&i=1033526&h=512&w=512>

This will be done up as a cross draw belt knife or can be worn as a neck knife...Same size as our Little Camper, but a little fancier with full filework and stainless steel...

Running Dog

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mmurphy@premier1.net

www.runningdogknife.bigstep.com
 
Oh yeah....now I see how you work. You tempt me with a test knife or two, just to get me hooked, then you start giving me peeks at the good stuff! Email me on the pricing for that sucker. The Little Camper is a beast of a knife, folks. Review coming soon, I promise. Ummmm....Oh. I think if I could see the side profile of the sheath I would be able to see what you came up with. Good design! Le sheath minimum c'est tres chic! I have never taken French, so I'm probably saying something nonsensical!
Now that everyone is posting their latest sheath designs I feel like a loser for getting out of the game. Maybe this'll give me some incentive to invent some cool stuff for my own knives, most of which are sitting around sheathless! Go figure.

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My Custom Kydex Sheath page:
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Lab/1298/frames.html
Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
agocs_s@dd.palmer.edu
Madpoet (Mel Sorg, Jr.) Tribute page:
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Lab/1298/madpoet/main.html



[This message has been edited by Chiro75 (edited 02-25-2000).]
 
Hey Mike...

Yup I hear you.. Gotta always be on the lookout...

What is your reasoning for needing SS eyelets?

Ithink what you'll find,, if they are actually available,, is 1. They will be Expensive as H*ll. 2. You may have problems producing a nice roll with them, since brass is much softer...

As far as Anodizing or Black Oxide on SS,, try some of the same Etching Acid used to etch blades and Damascus..
I believe it can be had a Radio Shack, and is used to etch circuit boards. It blackens SS so I don't see whay it wouldn't blacken SS eyelets// Just make sure they haven't been sealed with a Clear Coat...

Sweet little blade BTW...

ttyle Eric....

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Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical
http://www.mnsi.net/~nbtnoel
Custom made, High Quality
Concealex Sheaths and Tool Holsters
Canada's Only Custom Concealex Shop!

 
Hey Eric...

I like the idea of the SS eyelets for safety...I know the Concealex sheaths are stronger than leather...Just trying to make a better product...

Have you tried destructive testing with any of your sheath systems? We have and found that the weakest link is the hardware...

To keep this in perspective, the sheaths are safer than leather or cordura...I'm just looking to make the best product I can...

Victor says he has a guy with an eyelet making machine who would make them for me...and yes they will be very expencive...

I want to use the brass/blackened screwposts they offer... 30 cents as opposed to 4 cents for the regular ones....Performance? Safety? Mostly vanity because you would never know it to look at them...

BTW, Victor gave me one of Tim's Tec-Loc belt clips...I guess I'll work it into a knife and see what I think...

Chiro! Thanks for the kind words about the Jr. Executive...We really like it...If you want, I can post additional pictures of some of the new work we are finishing up this week...We have several new knives that fit into your +/- five inch size range...

We are going to a show this weekend...We have about 30 knives and two swords to sell...I hope I don't have to bring anything home with me...
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Wish me luck!

I'll be back on-line Monday...Post to you then....

Running Dog

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mmurphy@premier1.net

www.runningdogknife.bigstep.com
 
Swords!? Dude, why are you holding out on me? Please post all your knives and swords and everything. ALL OF IT!!!!
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Calming down....okay. Back to earth. If you guys would just do as I've told you and use screws instead of eyelets, you would have NO weak links in your sheaths. You guys are lucky I'm not making stuff anymore...
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http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Lab/1298/frames.html
Palmer College of Chiropractic
On Two Wheels
agocs_s@dd.palmer.edu
Madpoet (Mel Sorg, Jr.) Tribute page:
http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Lab/1298/madpoet/main.html

 
Hey Mike...

Yup I hear you..
Actually I've been looking into Brass hardware and have used some SS screws on my EMS/EMT stuff.

I will probably go into black Ox on the chicago screws, because that's a Walk in the Park for me to do at my other shop...

As far as destructive testing...
Actually I did some a few weeks ago when it was really cold..
Drove over the sheath with the truck a few times..
Sheath didn't survive,,but only fractured in one place and could still be used.

As far as the hardware being a weak link.. I haven't had an eyelet rip out on me yet.. I don't have any problem what so ever with eyelets or any other hardware for that matter...

Sure if you are H*ll bent on destroying the thing,, Yup it can be done,, but for daily use,, even daily aggressive use,, it shouldn't hurt it at all...
There isn't any stress put on the eyelets on a normal sheath anyway,,so it shouldn't be a problem.

As far as using Chiro's way of doing it with all screws,, it has it's atvantages,,but also some disatvantages as well..

All in all it makes good sense if you Locktite the screws in place... The only real problem I have with it is more moving parts. Little more expensive to do,, but definately a sound way of construction.

ttyle Eric...

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Eric E. Noeldechen
On/Scene Tactical
http://www.mnsi.net/~nbtnoel
Custom made, High Quality
Concealex Sheaths and Tool Holsters
Canada's Only Custom Concealex Shop!

 
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