Question for the Elk Hunters

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Gents,

When my buddies or I kill an elk or deer here in Colorado we skin and quarter it where it drops....I am an old guy and don't like packing out anything extra..... I have used a puuko and my beloved 7" Roselli and they have served me well...until this last season. I was short of time and did not have a saw and used my beloved Roselli to whack off the legs. No problem other than the edge on the Roselli turned up.....Not good.

Found this forum and have since seen the light!

So, Question #1.....you Busse users...what two Busse knives ....small and large would be best suited for my future deer/elk work?

Question #2 ....being an old guy, weight is an issue...what if I used only one knife..which Busse?

Thanks,

Slim
 
If I had to keep only one (Heaven Forbid) it would be-

The Steel Heart

I have chopped wood, cinderblock, plastic, cardboard, rolls of carpet, sheetrock and cans of every size and shape with my Steel Heart-E. I have hammered it with a brick into a stack of quarters then into a pile of phone books. I have tried to dig with it, pry with it and it still begs for more. Does it have some scratches in the coating?, yup. Did it need to be resharped? -of couse. Did it ever let me down? -Not a chance. That's why I started to buy em' from Busse, and continue to do so.:D
 
slim, i live in idaho and hunt wapiti, i would like to cast my vote for a pauls hatchet and a active duty.
i know you don't want to carry around a lot of crap you won't use so here's my take.
i carry 50' of paracord or 1/4" rope to stake that damned thing out spread eagle as he wants to kick my ass even though he's dead.
the active duty is delicate enough to clip the end off a cigar but tough enough to get in between the joints and up to the inner chest area.
the pauls hatchet is a great brush clearer and will split the a-bone in one swing. it will split the sturnum and also skin like a champ. use it like a ulu.
good luck in your choices
scott
 
FOS/IDSK...

Ok I can see that......

BTW...IDSK: I had not thought about using a Paul's Hatchet to skin with.....I guess you sure could get it sharp and can't see why that wouldn't work...The AD/Paul's wouldn't weigh too much either.

Very good!

Any other comments?

Thanks,

Slim
 
Slim,

Just an alternate method of field dressing, this is a copy of a post I put up a couple of months ago on the survival forum on Swamp Rat.

I have never dressed an elk, but see no difference in doing a bullock.


LARGE ANIMALS.

This is my speciality, a chore I have been paid to do many times, and a method taught to me on the stations in the north. I have used this method on Horses, Camels, Donkey's, Bullocks, Buffalo and Micky Bulls.

We killed on the stations about every three days, and one of my main chores were to kill for the cattle camps and the main station.

Field dressing Deer or cattle.

This method is not feasible if you need the hide. I’ll do it in steps.

After shooting the animal, you need to cut it’s throat, I used to place my knee on its chest and pump the blood out. (a bit like CPR) :D:D You first run the knife from the butt of the tail up the centre of its back to the back of the head. Then directly down the shoulder from the existing cut. You repeat the same over the rump and down the side of the hind leg. This is done blade up.
You flail the hide from the cut along the backbone all the way to the belly, and then lay it out on the ground, this becomes your table. Next skin the hide away from the hind leg and shoulder.

Now you are ready to butcher. The cuts are really only muscles, so follow the muscle lines around the hindquarter. I stab the knife into the muscle to gain a two-finger hold while cutting the meat away from the bone. The T bone section along the back bone is next boned away from the spine and ribs, (Back Straps) I usually rolled and skewered that for roasting. Keep removing the cuts from rear to front and along the neck. (Including meats from the brisket for corning)

The only meat left now is the fillet under the backbone; you need to carefully cut besides the rib cage, being careful not to pierce the stomach. Again reaching under the ribs bone out the fillet. Your animal is ready to turn over and do the other side.

There is no waste of meat in this method, the only thing you can’t keep is the MOO. :D:D

Your cuts now need to be hung up for the meat to set overnight. Because of heat and flies, I used to place a bed of gum leaves under the cuts on the truck and also over the fresh meat for transport.

With practice you should be able to butcher an animal the size of a bullock in about forty minutes.

For final butchering.
Meat is like wood in a way, so remember to cut across the grain, you will have an easier time chewing it than being cut along the grain.
The better cuts such as the fillets, rump topside and round are all muscles the same as the other cuts. Again I can go into this in much greater detail if you want.

BTW,With this method, you only take meat, there is no need to carry bone as well. :)

Edited to add:
I only ever use a dropped point knife, I have butchered a bullock with my first NO, it performed faultlessly. The ZT I have I feel would be easier with its lighter weight.

Also disregard the gum leaves, I’m not too sure that will be a problem in an American winter.:D :D
 
I also agree with Scott, the Active duty would skin anything on this planet.:cool:

Contender,
I’ve tried a chainsaw as well. I was picking bits of meat and bone out of my hair for a week after that.:D :D
 
Originally posted by Ian Allomes
I also agree with Scott, the Active duty would skin anything on this planet.:cool:

Contender,
I’ve tried a chainsaw as well. I was picking bits of meat and bone out of my hair for a week after that.:D :D

eeeeeyu:barf: :barf:

That's kind of like cleaning burnt flesh from your boots and gloves:eek:
 
Something else to consider. Jerry had stated that the rear talon hole was left off the BA-E for the main purpose of holding it upside down for skinning. I have a NO-E with the same 'butt grind' and this little operation makes it super comfortable in this position. Can't use it now cause it has both Blade Babe and Shaggi's lip prints and signatures on the newly sharpened and bead blasted blade.:eek: :eek: Will now have to have the same operation done to my ZTNO.

The PH and AD does sound like a perfect combo though.

Rob
 
For the One-Busse, I'd recommend the Natural Ourlaw-E (until the Fusion line comes out). My NO-DE will be my main do-it-all knife in the upcoming adventure we spoke of earlier.
On another note, I've found that many survival experts are polarized on the large knife, small knife issue. They argue that there are chores that the other knife won't do well that they have found necessary in their experiences. Then they improvise ways to get around their knife's limitations.
Not being so expert on survival techniques, I'd feel more comfortable with a Steel Heart as my main wilderness manipulator. Then for camping/skinning/food prep I can't think of a better knife for the money than the purpose-designed BogDog being offered by Busse's sister company SwampRatKnifeWorks. If you can spare the cost though, an Active Duty might be my ultimate small blade recommendation. The AD will probably be more appropriate for civilian carry/briefcase-knife duty than the BogDog, giving it versatility that way, but then the BogDog might be more versatile in the woods. I think I'm straddling the fence on this one! Best wishes, and welcome to the Busse family!
 
Having said all of the above, if I were to be living on the remote stations today with my equipment I own now, I would have my Howling Rat with me 24 hours a day.
Ian.
 
Well men, that's great feedback...thanks...

btw ...Ian, I will likely try your method next season....

I had looked up the Howling Rat and got info on that already.

Was fortunate enough to acquire a Steel Heart.

So, does still Busse sell Active Duties and PR's or do we wait for something to come up on the Knife Exchange?

I guess I might give them (Busse) a call when the the cookie jar fills up again.

Thanks again,

Slim
 
Thanks Eric....It's good to "be here" and I've enjoyed this forum.

I am however a bit concerned about this "disease" the oinkers talk about. It seems my wife is noticing some symptoms.....

Slim
 
Originally posted by Slim Wallet
Thanks Eric....It's good to "be here" and I've enjoyed this forum.

I am however a bit concerned about this "disease" the oinkers talk about. It seems my wife is noticing some symptoms.....

Slim

Let's just say that your screen name will be changed in short order to Slim (er) Wallet.:D :D

Rob
 
Gents,

Just fyi..... after a couple of seasons of tryuing this and that, I have settled on a Paul's Hatchet and a Groovemaster. Works well for me.

All the best...

Slim
 
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