Question on 14OT and sheaths

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I recently acquired this 14OT which unfortunately came without a sheath. So if anyone knows how I might be able to locate one let me know please.

From AAPK I've learned that the 14OT, or the Timberline, was produced from 1978-1981. This seems to be a fairly short run if correct.

I know nothing more about these knives so any info can help.

Sorry for the quality of the pics. From these you can see that there is some light freckling on the left hand side of the blade.

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tipoc
 
The Schrade 13OT and 14OT are a fairly rare pair of classic Schrade pattern Old Timer fixed blades. The 13OT and 14OT were the sixth and seventh fixed blade Old Timer when they were first introduced in 1978 (15OT-'64, 165OT-'67, 41OT-'71, 152OT-'73, 154OT-'76 ) and was produced for only three years before being discontinued after 1980 (13OT) and four years 1981 (14OT). They were first manufactured well after the Schrade-Walden name had been changed to Schrade Cutlery (in mid 1973), so will only be found with the "SCHRADE U.S.A. 13OT/14OT" tang stamp on regular production knives. In the 1978 Schrade Cutlery catalog they listed for $35.00 each, and remained at that price until retired from production.

The 8 1/2"13OT Trailblazer has a heavy 3 3/4" drop point full exposed tang blade, slightly curved spine brown sawcut Delrin handle pinned to the tang with two nickle silver flush compression rivets, and a brass bolster/guard. A nickle silver Old Timer shield is set flush on the right handle (rectangular with radiused ends, "OLD TIMER"). Over the short span of production, only the brown sawcut Delrin handles were used. The handle has no lanyard hole as was featured on many later small fixed OT patterns. Weight was listed at 7.6 ounces. The catalog listed the blade steel as "High Carbon Steel Rust Resistant", which I understand is another expression of "Schrade+ Steel" I have not noted any private or limited edition issues of this pattern, and there was no known UH version. Neither is there a direct predecessor or descendent identifiable. The PH1 and PH2 had similar blade shapes.

The 8 1/2"14OT Timberline has a heavy 3 3/4" clip point full exposed tang blade, slightly curved spine brown sawcut Delrin handle pinned to the tang with two nickle silver flush compression rivets, and a brass bolster/guard. A nickle silver Old Timer shield is set flush on the right handle (rectangular with radiused ends, "OLD TIMER"). Over the short span of production, only the brown sawcut Delrin handles were used. The handle has no lanyard hole as was featured on many later small fixed OT patterns. Weight was listed at 7.6 ounces. The catalog listed the blade steel as "High Carbon Steel Rust Resistant", which I understand is another expression of "Schrade+ Steel" I have not noted any private or limited edition issues of this pattern, but there was a UH version, the 144UH (1979-'82). Neither is there a direct predecessor or descendent other than the 144UH identifiable.

I have found one basic sheath design which is a folded tubular sewn sheath with no handle keeper strap. It was stitched with brown thread, with five small rivets protecting the stitching. The leather on the sheath back was extended and folded over backward above the sheath throat to form a belt hanger. It was secured to the sheath back with stitching. Because of the small size of the sheath, none were made with the stone pocket found on other larger Schrade fixed blade patterns. Sheath finish color did not vary much during the short production from light russet to brown. No undyed replacement sheaths have shown up on the market.

Unlike Old Timers with longer production runs, no engineering changes have been detected on the 13OT or 14OT over the brief span of production, though some slight variations may come to light in the future.

No distinctly different tang stamps have been noted so. I have seen no relics of the 13OT or 14OT pattern appearing from the Schrade inventory and sample room, as I have with many patterns.

The entire standard production was marked with the right-hand tang stamp "SCHRADE" over "U.S.A. 13/14OT" perpendicular to the blade and read from the handle. This tang stamp remained unchanged during the few years of production.

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Michael, you are a veritable encyclopedia. Here are some larger pix:

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what explains the wooden handle on the top? has this one been rehandled or? and the staglon really sets that blade off nicely.

oh yes and as a personal note you wouldn't have one of the round duck shields, i have a 13DU which has lost its shield probably in shipping although i searched the package time and time again.
 
Codger,

Thanks for the pic of the sheaths. Along with this blade I also got a few other things, among them was a sheath that did not look like it belonged with any of the knives I got nor seem to fit any right. It is below...

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And along side a well used and worn 165...

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tipoc
 
I believe your sheath is the correct one. Mine has a different die-cut and atitch on the back of the belt hanger, but is exacly like that one otherwise. This detail difference may mean a different supplier of the sheaths, or just a slight change during production. My example came to me new in the box, and the sheath fits perfectly into the vacuume formed tray. My knife is a 13OT, but as you can see, they both used the same sheath.

Out of curiosity, what is the serial number on your 165OT if it has one? (the guard shape suggests that it is a SCHRADE U.S.A. 165, not a SCHRADE WALDEN 165).
 
On the 165OT: It is a Schrade Walden. There is no serial number. I'll post some clearer pictures of it tomorrow.

The sheath for the 14OT is quite a tight fit and at first I did not believe it was the correct sheath for this knife. It looked as though the blade had never been in it. Moving it in and out helps loosen it up some. The leather appears to be of lesser quality and is less supple than other Schrade's sheaths I have. But it is the right one for this knife.

tipoc
 
I was doing some research into the 14OT "Timberline" and stumbled upon this thread and a couple others on this knife.

I know I'm out on a limb here but, Codger, I think you are wrong about the 13OT and 14OT being made from stainless steel. Stainless Schrade+ steel was a huge selling/advertising point when it came to the 144UH and this steel and the fake stag set it aside from the carbon steel saw-cut delrin 14OT.

I'm not sure where Codger read "High Carbon Steel Rust Resistant" beacause I can't find that anywhere regarding these knives.

What I did find was "the finest high carbon steel" here: http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/FLYERS/SC-1973-1979/pages/SC-77-17.htm

"Special Analysis High Carbon Steel" for the Old Timers versus the Uncle Henry folders made of Schrade+ here:
http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/FLYERS/SC-1973-1979/pages/SC-78-7.htm

This says nothing to imply 13 and 14 OTs are stainless but highlights the fact that the 144UH is:
http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/Catalogs/images/1979-CATS.pdf

"Special Analysis High Carbon Steel" for the Old Timers versus Schrade+ Steel for the Uncle Henry's and specifically the 144UH here:
http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/Catalogs/images/1980-CATS.pdf

Every ad you see about the 144UH makes a big deal about it being made from Schrade+ steel (http://www.collectors-of-schrades-r.us/FLYERS/SC-1973-1979/pages/SC-78-11.htm). I am 99.99% sure that the 13OT and 14OT were NOT stainless. I have a mint 14OT coming to me now but I won't be cutting an apple with it or dipping it in vinegar anytime soon.

tipoc's pics above even show what I see as slight patina starting on the back of his 14OT by the spine.

Codger, just the thought of telling you that you are wrong on anything fills me with fear and dread lol but I think I gotta take a stand on this one. :foot::foot::foot::foot:
 
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Here's the one on the way to me now. Story goes it's a one owner knife. The guy I bought it from says he purchased it at a sporting good store in the early eighties and has had it packed away ever since. The hinged brown box is a classy touch. It's the first Schrade I have to come like this. The sheath should be correct.

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in a quick look at the price list for 1979, 1980, & 1981, it has the 14OT listed with "gift box" at the top of the column detailing knife number. in 1982 there is no listing for the 14OT at all in the Old Timer section nor below in the display sections.
 
13OT
Listed in catalogs '78-'80
Listed on price lists '78-'81

'81 - Discontinued from catalog but on price list

Maybe the price list was printed earlier in the year than the catalog ......
I think I've noticed other models in other years having the same disconnect.

Larry's site has gloriously provided us with a tremendous framework of data to work from (KUDOS!!).

In 1972, Sch/Wal 153UH is handwritten on the 9/1/72 price list but doesn't show up in the catalog. They do exist, Larry303 showed one in June 2009 and we've now seen another from JakeBoy. We don't see the 153UH listed again until after the changeover in the Schrade Cutlery catalog from (later) 1973.

Same situation with the Sch/Wal 152OT. Has anyone showed one of these? Same handwriting as the 153UH and that's showed up.

Collecting Schrade, I've learned to count to 10 or even 18.
Who's to know at this point? One more for the universe. :confused:

Howie
 
I recently acquired this 14OT which unfortunately came without a sheath. So if anyone knows how I might be able to locate one let me know please.

From AAPK I've learned that the 14OT, or the Timberline, was produced from 1978-1981. This seems to be a fairly short run if correct.

I know nothing more about these knives so any info can help.

Sorry for the quality of the pics. From these you can see that there is some light freckling on the left hand side of the blade.

14ot2.jpg


14ot3.jpg


14ot1.jpg


tipoc
I inherited that exact same knife in the box with the original sheath.
 
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