Question on de-assisting

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Hey everyone, I was recently considering de assisting my 586, but I have some concerns. First, how difficult is it? Second, how smooth will it be afterwards. And last, will the detent be the same without the spring? I read somewhere that the spring helps act in reverse as a detent when the blade is just outside of the handle and that's what pulls it in the rest of the way when closing. Not sure on that though
 
Instead of de-assist, I would recommend getting 484 Nakamura or something on that line.

No, removing AA spring will not hinder closing. It become non-assisted after removing spring. It is not difficult, but again if you want non-assisted there are many other BKC items you like it better.
 
Well sure, but de assisting costs me nothing. Getting a whole new knife will run me a LITTLE bit more..... :D
 
I see your point ;) Here is a video of de-assisting in You tube for Barrage. It's easier than Nitrous assist version, and certainly less complicated than Emissary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9yzYVJnBPk (Part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtU73J-QL0k (Part 2)

When you are done, make sure pivot screw tightness is just right as it will be covered b handle materials. My advise is to make sure to buy very tight fitting torx screw drivers. Don't get the cheap one as it will strip the torx bolts.

MFL
 
MobileFireLord said:
My advise is to make sure to buy very tight fitting torx screw drivers. Don't get the cheap one as it will strip the torx bolts.
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I agree! Ive tried quite a few torx sets including the Benchmade blue box kit and all were junk with poor fitting bits.

Enter the Boker Torx kit made by Wiha. Compact, made in Germany and has all the bits you need for most any pocket knife. The machining on these bits are on a whole other level, they fit perfect and won't mar or damage the small torx screws.

http://www.gpknives.com/bokertoolkittorx.html
 
The 581 and 586 are real precision pieces designed around the AO coil spring system. Remove it at your own risk. Yes it acts as a detent once its gone the blade will just swing or fall out with gravity. The coil spring also helps keep the blade centered. Once it is gone so is your blade centering. Yes its smooth to open without the spring but not THAT smooth and not worth the headache of ending up with a blade that's permanently scraping a liner because the spring is gone. Ive read other members here taking the springs out of their 581/586 only to end up sending the knife back to Benchmade in pieces in a ziplock bag because they just cant get it to work right without the AO and just don't realize how precisely they are screwed together even with the AO.
 
Alright.......
First, why did you revive an old thread after I already made a new one (that you responded to) which goes through the process of my attempt at de assisting my 586. The job is already done and I love the result.

Secondly, oh wise one, the detent is NOT from the spring, it comes from the design of the axis lock. The lockbar rides along the tang as closing, before then falling into a grove when it is closed. To open the knife, the lock bar has to roll out of that groove which takes effort because it is fighting the force of the Lock bar trying to go forward. All of this means that the knife functions perfectly with or without the spring. Why would Benchmade design a product that would be horribly dangerous if the spring were to break? :confused:

Thirdly, the spring has little to no effect on the blade centering. Mine is now just a tiny but off to the left, but it was like that before taking the spring out. It certainly doesn't scrape the liner.

fourthly(?), the knife is not just a LITTLE smooth now, it's VERY smooth

And fifthly(?), send it back in pieces in a plastic bag? I already finished it! You posted near the end of my other thread after I had already finished the whole process! You obviously didn't read that one though because your post there was very similar to this.

I swear, you sound like you're just spamming advice everywhere, but without actually knowing anything
 
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CelticCross74 said:
The 581 and 586 are real precision pieces designed around the AO coil spring system. Remove it at your own risk. Yes it acts as a detent once its gone the blade will just swing or fall out with gravity. The coil spring also helps keep the blade centered. Once it is gone so is your blade centering. Yes its smooth to open without the spring but not THAT smooth and not worth the headache of ending up with a blade that's permanently scraping a liner because the spring is gone. Ive read other members here taking the springs out of their 581/586 only to end up sending the knife back to Benchmade in pieces in a ziplock bag because they just cant get it to work right without the AO and just don't realize how precisely they are screwed together even with the AO.
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Yeah, none of this is true. The Axis-Assist does not act as a detent at all, de-assisting an Axis-assist folder will not cause the blade to swing or fall out with gravity, the coil spring does not help to keep the blade centered and removing it does nothing to affect centering (when done correctly), and assisted/de-assisted has nothing to do with pivot-smoothness.
 
Thanks Benchmade, so am I! Ill try to keep it that way:)

Again, thank you so much for offering to fix it for me. Things like that stick with people, and I, for one, am now a full-blown Benchmade fanboy :D
 
Welcome to the hotel Bench made... you can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave..♪♪

;)

Seriously, I am glad your issue was resolved.
 
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