Question on Schrade D'Holder Elk Knife

roma kid

roma kid

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I purchased a Schrade D'Holder Elk Knife from a collector who bought many of the D'Holder collaborations that Schrade had on hand when they closed. This one does not have any etching on the blade, nor does it have a serial number. Otherwise it is perfect, and comes with the proper sheath. Does the lack of any markings add or detract from the value?
Thanks
 
There were two sets of Schrade D'Holder collaborations. The first was the Millennium series which saw a Stag handled knife, the AG Russell Maple Burl handled knife, the Green Maple handled knife and, (whilst not exactly a part of this series it was done from the same pattern and at the same time) the Limited Edition (750 knives) 'North American Hunting Club' Lifetime membership knife (this knife has Schrade USA & DH Ltd on the tang).

The second collaboration was the "Centennial Series" which saw the Grizzly and Ram (drop point hunters) and the Elk and Whitetail (clip point hunters). There were only 65 of the Whitetail series produced (52 went to A G Russell) and the other 13 went to two collectors (none of these 13 were serial numbered or signed). The last knife of the series was never made at all and the blanks have appeared to disappear. To the best of my knowledge, there were no others.
An Elk knife with no markings would most likely have been a knife that didn't pass quality control since these were produced before the Whitetail run was begun. Is it a clip point hunter?
 
The knife is actually in perfect condition. The Elk and White Tail had the same blade profile. This one has the Elk insert and stag handles. The gentleman from Colorado that they were sold to sent me a copy of the invoice from Schrade from September 2004.
I'm thinking of selling the knife since I recently purchased the Elk Knife with all the markings. My question then would be is a knife like this in mint condition with no markings worth more or less than one with markings?
Thanks for your help.
Raul
 
roma kid said:
I'm thinking of selling the knife since I recently purchased the Elk Knife with all the markings. My question then would be is a knife like this in mint condition with no markings worth more or less than one with markings? l
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A Schrade knife is much like real estate - worth what an informed buyer would pay to obtain it under free market conditions. Since you say that you recently purchased a knife with the proper markings, then you have the values that you placed upon both.

Whether or not another would place the same values upon these knives as you do is another question, and likely can only be answered by testing the market. What value I would place upon it is a moot point since I'm not in the market to purchase such a knife. Sorry I cannot be more specific.
Del
 
That is help enough. I appreciate your input. There's some interesting Schrade D'Holders on ebay right now. I'll see what happens there.
 
roma kid said:
The knife is actually in perfect condition. The Elk and White Tail had the same blade profile. This one has the Elk insert and stag handles. The gentleman from Colorado that they were sold to sent me a copy of the invoice from Schrade from September 2004.
I'm thinking of selling the knife since I recently purchased the Elk Knife with all the markings. My question then would be is a knife like this in mint condition with no markings worth more or less than one with markings?
Thanks for your help.
Raul
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I notice that "the gentleman from Colorado" has another SDH03 (with all the markings) up on e bay and that you are bidding on this one too!
Wasn't Schrade in receivership in September 2004?
Whats up ??????
 
I'm glad we've got Del in our corner. I was mildly interested until the red flag went up. As far as value, Del hit it on the head with his willing buyer and willing seller routine. I personally view the described knife as another last days knife and not an Elk S/D. I'm so very new to Schrade, but even I notice that what sets apart A Schrade/D'Holder IS the etching and serial numbers etc. In fact I've seen a couple of D'Holders with animal insets that have no connection with Schrade at all that I can tell. I am saying that this just as well be a PH1 or PH2 with an Elk inset.

Paul
 
Deleted and moved . To new thread The Market Value of a Knife . sorry for any inconvienience.
 
No shills no props. Heck even a greenhorn has the right to ask that at any table. LT
 
I'm not sure I'm following this correctly. Roma kid recently bought 2 D'Holder Elk knives, one without markings and one with markings. He's now asking whether the one without markings is worth less than the one with markings? Can't you tell by virtue of what YOU paid for each or did you pay the same price? I don't get it. :confused:
 
It would seem my ramblings have confused the issue. I was just taken with Big Hearts ( Dels ) answer. By the way he is the consumate Holder man. Sorry for any confusion LT
 
Redshanks, as any true died in the wool Shelby GT fan could tell you the life history, build sheet, the current whereabouts of every serial numbered vehicle in the limited production, a true D'Holder fan would know better than anyone how many of which limited edition collaboration knives were produced, and especially on the last of the last, who bought them and where they were. If Schrade were in receivership, it was grossly unlawful for them (or someone there) to backdoor surviving inventory pre-auction. In my mind at least it brings up the question of whether or not someone assembled knives from components post auction and sold them as Schrade production. Like building a Shelby clone and calling it the real McCoy? Like a fifth ace appearing at the table?

Codger
 
Roma kid started this thread by stating that he had purchased one of the Schrade D'Holder (SDH03) knives without any markings and he asked if this added to, or, detracted from, the "value".
Then in a subsequent post he stated that he had also purchased the same knife with "markings".
Then, a listing appeared on e bay for a similar knife "with markings" offered by "the gentleman in Colorado", and lo and behold, roma kid is bidding the price upwards.
Is the knife being offered on e bay (S/N145) part of the knives listed on the "invoice" from Schrade dated September 2004?
Is Roma kid trying to 'corner the market' in this knife since he already has two (one 'marked' and one 'unmarked')?
Or, is Roma kid merely a "shill"?
 
I understand, Del. Why would I ask a group of people like this how much a knife is worth if I just bought the same knife a little while ago? Wasn't it worth to me what I paid for it?
 
I am no expert, but if I was wanting the value of a knife for investment or insurance purposes I would probably use Bernard Levine's on line appraisal service. He only charges $5.00 for items listed on eBay.
http://pweb.netcom.com/~brlevine/links.htm
To the best of my (admittedly limited) knowledge he is one of the foremost "Experts."
 
I didn't realize I had this many replies on my thread. I just it was just a couple until I looked again tonight. All I can say is I'm probably not a very good Schrade collector. Somehow I got interested in the Schrade D'Holders, and I managed to collect all of them (except one) at a considerable cost since I only started doing this last year. I also have one custom D'Holder, and recently ordered another one from "D" which I have to wait 12 months for. The only other Schrade knife I am looking for now is the Schrade Loveless collaboration, and then I'm giving it up. The collector from Colorado is an extremely serious D'Holder afficionado and had some rare D'Holder knives that he purchased from him directly. I had only one conversation with him when I purchased the ebay knife that started this thread. He sent me a copy of the invoice from Schrade to prove that he purchased it from them.
I hope my lack of knowledge about collecting in general, and collecting Schrade knives specifically, hasn't caused a misunderstanding. Thanks.
 
There have been several different versions of the Schrade/Loveless knife. If I'm not mistaken, the first issue was a 1 of 1000 numbered series, followed by a second and possibly a third series that was not numbered. I'm sure someone will come along with more accurate and complete information on those. I have two of the originals that I bought back in the 70's when they first came out and I'm pretty sure the boxes have "1 of 1000" printed on them. I remember the purchases well, I paid $100.00 each for them and that was a lot of money for a knife back then.

There is a knife currently offered that is numbered 1542, so it must be in a later series. Check item #6571479574, it ends today, 26Oct05.

edit: I just took a look at that listing again and at the literature in particular. I may be wrong about my knives being part of a "1 of 1000" series, it would take me forever to dig them out to check. If I'm wrong, chalk it up to the first sign of old timers disease. Yeah, that's what I have, old timers disease!
 
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