Questions about Camping Gear

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Does anyone have any links to a good camping forum? My wife and I would like to start doing some recreational tent camping. We were both in scouts when we were younger and have been talking about getting back into it for a couple years now.

Of course I have no idea where any of my old camping gear is from when I was in scouts. It's likely in my parents' attic somewhere. I'd like to get a list together of some gear for weekend to 1 week long camping trips. We of course need a tent and sleeping bags (do they make good quality 2-person sleeping bags?). The cost on these items can range from $50-500. I have no idea where to start. I definitely want to look for great value and don't mind spending a few extra bucks to avoid the cheap stuff that won't last. We live in North Georgia so we'll likely never have to worry about snow but rain is a definite possibility.

We'll definitely do some hiking and campfire cooking (what's good to pack to cook over a campfire? Should I invest in a propane stove?). We don't have any fishing gear but maybe we'll get into that later on. Does anyone have recommendations on tents, sleeping bags, camping gear, and activities for couples?

Any and all input greatly appreciated.
 
For gear at discount prices, here are three essential links for you. And they all sell KNIVES, lest this thread be considered OT.

(I suspect it may get moved to Gadgets and Gear anyhow.).

The links:

www.sierratradingpost.com
www.rei-outlet.com
www.campmor.com

All good sources for good deals. You can also check out the sale items at L.L. Bean from time to time. On occasion, they have some decent deals.
 
Ah. I thought this might be off topic but couldn't find a better place. I was looking under General, but now see Gadgets and Gear under Community.

If it helps my case any, I will certainly have to purchase a good fixed blade to take camping and possibly a small hatchet.
 
Get the 4th edition of The Complete Walker by Colin Fletcher. Most comprehensive book on backpacking there is, IMHO.
 
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Hi wyld. I'm sure a lot of the good members here in Wilderness & Survival can help you out as well. To better help in making recommendations, how about a little more information? Define what you mean when you saying camping. Are you looking to go to a campground or campsite and stay put for the whole time or are you looking to do full on backpacking where you will need to lug all your own gear and weight will be a big issue?
 
Get the 4th edition of The Complete Walker by Colin Fletcher. Most comprehensive book on backpacking there is, IMHO.

Colin Fletcher is an excellent writer (I love The Man Who Walked Through Time.), but the 4th edition has very little new information on gear as compared to the 3rd edition (1984) and so is largely out of date when it comes to specific products. I bought it and returned it after comparing it to the 3d Ed.

Propane stoves are simpler to operate than liquid-fuel stoves, but I like liquid-fueld backpacking stoves because the fuel is much cheaper and you always can easily check to see how much is left (as compared to cartridges). My favorites are the Coleman Multi-Fuel and anythng by Wisperlite.

Eureka and Kelty are two brands of tents that set the standard for value. Buy one with aluminum poles. Fiberglass poles give poor service.

Have fun.
 
Thanks for the responses. I didnt even know this section was here. It looks like a lot of valuable information for me to browse.

We may eventually do some backpacking but it seems that there are 3 main desirable traits when it comes to camping gear: 1-Good Quality, 2-Light Weight, 3-Low Price --- but I can only pick 2. Correct me if I'm wrong. At this point I am more concerned with quality and value than weight but this might change in the future. I think most of the camping we will do will involve setting up at a camp site at night, hiking away carrying only a small pack, and returning to the site at the end of the day. I am not familiar enough yet with nearby campgrounds to know what my options are. Backpacking does sound very appealing though I am just worried that it would exponentially increase the cost of the gear if weight becomes a huge factor.

Again I am open to suggestions. Maybe some of you can tell me about some of the trips you have been on. We really aren't sure where to start.
 
(do they make good quality 2-person sleeping bags?).
Many of the rectangular bags on the market can be zipped together to form a double wide. For best results get 2 identical bags from the same manufacturer and verify that they are made to zip together before you buy.
where to start;
dome tents set up quickly but are relatively heavy.
Get a tent that is big enough that you won't involuntarily touch the sides when inside. (Touching the wet material, during a rainstorm, can cause leaks at that point. After it dries out the leaks will go away though).
Avoid the thin foam backpacker pads (unless backpacking) they are mostly for ground insulation. When car camping I prefer either an air mattress on a cot or an air mattress on the floor.
Throw an insulating layer between your bag and the mattress (to stay much warmer)
Bring a comfortable fold up chair each when car camping.
Bring a tarp to throw over the tent or to form a rain shelter/sunshade.
Go to a surplus store and get at least 50 feet of 550 parachute cord. to tie stuff up/down with.
Bring cooking gear to either cook over the fire or to cook on a camp stove. (I like the fire but have both a backpacking stove (for backpacking) and a 2 burner Coleman stove set up to run off of a 10 pound propane tank. The green propane tanks are expensive but fine for limited camping or short trips)
Enjoy!
 
A few years ago, Backpacker magazine did an article in which they compared camping gear say of REI caliber to gear purchased at Wal-Mart. From what I recall, the less expensive gear provided for almost as enjoyable an experience as the more expensive gear. However, there may have been some 'dampness' during the inexpensive gear outing, but that may have been due to bad weather luck.

If you are getting back into camping, and will be camping out of your car at State or National parks with designated campsites, light weight gear can be less of a priority. Granted, if you plan on doing any backpacking down the road, you may want to factor the light weight aspect into your purchase decisions.

My suggestions. This is primarily for car camping, and not backcountry minimalist survival camping:

Tent
Get a self-standing tent with full-coverage rain fly. A self-standing tent is usually pretty easy to set up, and easy to clean quickly (pick it up and shake it out) when packing up. A full-coverage fly will offer the most protection against rain and unexpected cold. Try to get one that has at leat one vestibule for storage and shoes, and at least two openings for decent ventilation.

If it is going to be just you and your wife, you don't need a huge tent to start with. A 2-3 person tent will suffice. On the quality-yet-affordable end, Eureka make some decent tents. Also check REI, REI Outlet, Campmor, and Sierra Trading Post online for choices. Whatever you get, I recommend using a seam sealer on the fly seams to insure they won't leak.

Sleep
I will suggest getting sleeping bags that are rated maybe 20 degrees below the lowest temp in which you plan to camp. Get bags that have two-way zippers so you can manage ventilation in the bag in warmer weather. You can try to get bags that zip together, but that worked for us for only a few years after we got married. once the 'honeymoon' was over, the wifey bought a different bag :) . Mummy bag or rectangular; for car camping, it's up to your personal preference.

Pad. I highly recommend a self-inflating sleeping pad. Not an air mattress, but an open-cell foam filled pad, measuring an inch or two thinck. Therm-A-Rest is probably the most recognized name out there, but htere are many others on the market at more affordable price points. A slef-inflating sleeping pad has a valve that allows you to adjust the firmness or softness of the mattress. You will not regret this purchase. Closed-cell foam sleeping pads will work and are a lot more affordable, but even the thicker ones aren't as comfortable as a self-inflator.


Cooking
When we do not use the camp fire for cooking, we currently use a hand-me-down Coleman dual burner white gas camp stove, or a Coleman Peak 1 single-burner dual-fuel backpacking stove. The dual burner is big, but it allows us to prepare several different things at once. If you are leaning on freeze-dried food where you just need to add boiling water to a bag, a smaller single burner backpack stove will work. For years, all we had was the little Peak 1 stove and the campfire, and we were fine. And we usually bring a cooler with real food on car camping trips. Not so much with the freeze-dried stuff, although I take that stuff on packing trips.

Cookware. This can be pretty much whatever you want, as weight isn't an issue. I have always preferred and used stainless steel because it is super easy to take care of. A few years ago, we purchased a 6-piece set of aluminum pots and lids with a non-stick coating. these work super-slick, but you have to use care when stirring (no metal spoons!) and when cleaning them.


Camping is a great way to enjoy the outdoors, whether you do it from the trunk of a car or hike or paddle miles and miles. two summers ago we only had the opportunity to go camping twice, and I thought I was going to go crazy. We have vowed to never let that happen again. Before I got married, I was into minimalist camping. Since getting married, we have been mostly car camping, and it has been lots of fun. And easy! I good friend of mine recently expressed an interest in minimalist camping, and we took our first long weekend trip this past Sept. We have a winter outing planned for next month. Good luck on your camping quest! If I can help you along in any way, feel free to email me. And whatever you do, be safe!
 
There's a lot of good advice in this thread. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is your local Army Surplus store. In some cases you can find good strong gear there for cheap. Before buying anything, I find it's always worthwhile to comparison shop at my surplus store.

What I expect to find at the surplus store is strong gear for a less money than at the local camping goods store (REI). Sometimes it's a lot less money, sometimes not so much. Lightweight gear (except for the odd titanium sierra cup) doesn't seem to show up there. So I find it to be a great place to look for things that I want to be strong but not necessarily lightweight. This means things like folding camping shovels, tarps, cook gear (mine carries lots of cast iron), water containers, camp saws, cordage, and so forth.

You should also check out your local hardware store. It's surprising how much camping stuff a well-stocked hardware store carries. Mine even carries an interesting array of folding knives, camping saws, hatchets and axes, and so forth.

Finally, discount bulk goods stores such as CostCo often carry camping goods, as well as items that are useful on camping trips (batteries, cots, tents, various tools, and so forth). If you have access to one of these stores, you might find that they can save you some money. For example, I'll be purchasing a family-sized tent for car camping, and I'll definitely check out what they have at costco before buying anything.
 
Tent - I'd recommend the Sierra Designs Lightning 2 Person, 3 Season Tent. http://backpacker.com/gear/article/0,1023,7054,00.html

Sleeping Bags - get synthetic, not down. Like hikeeba said, get bags rated well-below the lowest temp you plan to camp in, and also like hikeeba said, get some sort of sleeping pad, either foam or inflatable.

Stove - MSR Whisperlite International is the best IMO.

Water Filter - again MSR Miniworks water filter is the best IMO.

Clothing - Gore-Tex (or other waterproof/breathable laminate) jacket plus a fleece jacket

and check out: http://backpacker.com/editorschoice/0,3667,,00.html for other gear options
 
dome tents set up quickly but are relatively heavy.
While many are made heavy for car camping, dome tents provide more cubic feet of interior space for their weight than a wedge-shaped tent made of the same weight.

Get a tent that is big enough that you won't involuntarily touch the sides when inside. (Touching the wet material, during a rainstorm, can cause leaks at that point. After it dries out the leaks will go away though).
Certainly true of cotton canvas tenets. Most "good" tents today have double walls, with the inside made of a breathable nylon and an outside "fly" made of coated nylon or polyester that acts like plastic. Condensation on the inside can be a problem in the right combination of humidity and cold and a tent wall in your face does not help rest.

"Avoid the thin foam backpacker pads (unless backpacking) they are mostly for ground insulation. When car camping I prefer either an air mattress on a cot or an air mattress on the floor. Throw an insulating layer between your bag and the mattress (to stay much warmer)[/quote]
Those foam pads are fine for kids. As you get older, they are not very comfortable. There are several brands of self-filling ari matresses that are full of open-cell foam ("Thermorest" type). They offer comfort and insulation and inflate themselves. As suggested, the plain air matress needs an insualting layer in cold weather since the air inside it becomes as cold as the air/ground.

Bring a comfortable fold up chair each when car camping.
They are very noce. Try to avoid the bottom-priced models.

Bring a tarp to throw over the tent or to form a rain shelter/sunshade.
A trap prevents spray getting through a cotton canvas tent in heavy rain, covers for leaks in any tent, and GREATLY reduces the heat inside on a hot, sunny day. A tarp and a couple of poles, ropes, pegs can also create a nice "porch" in front of your tent.
 
You have left out a lot of details that would help us advise you better.

Are you hiking or car camping?
Where and when are you most likely to camp?
Improved or primitive sites?
How much precipitation and wind might you expect if the forecaster is wrong?
Do you like decent meals or just adequate ones?
How cozy do you have to be to get a good night's sleep?

I ask these questions because when I was single most of my money was in my backpack, my sleeping bag, and my boots. I got by rigging a tarp or situating some mesh as a bug barrier, and met my cooking needs with a surplus alcohol stove.

When I started dating my future wife, I broke down and got a proper tent, a Whisperlite, inflatable pads, and even collapsible camp chairs. Backpacking routes became shorter as I became something of her porter for stuff she won't give up shy of TEOTWAWKI.

Along came kids, (soon to be three), and now that I have a young family it is car camping at state parks almost exclusively. Now I have a two burner stove, a camp oven, a dutch oven, a kitchen station with sink, a Kelty Mantra 7 as the outdoors palace, and some enormous coolers. We have "graduated" to full-on expedition status and are looking at getting a Jumping Jack pop-up tent trailer.

http://www.jumpingjacktrailers.com/

I guess the point of this rambling toy list is that I can now do everything from a minimalist backpacking trip into nowhere with my older but serviceable stuff on up to "everything but an RV" and tailor the gear to the comfort level demanded by the circumstances or the whim of she who must be obeyed.

So whether I bring a tarp or two or three depends on where and the season. Whether I have a screen house along depends on the bug level expected. Whether open fires are permitted or not decides the level of kitchen equipment hauled along. The heat dictates the cooler capacities. The variables are endless, but I have worked out the logistics fairly efficiently and I use hi-lofts and storage bins in my garage as predetermined gear platforms. If I take the first one, it is "bugging out plus." Add the second for a weekend car camping trip. Add the third to go up to ten days, go short and palatial, or into variable (bad) weather. Most of the upgrading consists of higher amounts of add-on gear to the kitchen and recreation (bikes, lifejackets, swim toys, etc.) So the first platform is the essentials, the second is the nice to haves, and the third is the over the top stuff. Coolers are taken stuffed with gear for the trip out and back and food and drink bought locally while at the destination.

What you want to do depends on your imagination and your budget. I even have a Paha Que toilet/shower arrangement for places with no bathroom facilities.

Shy of that, I have found some general guidelines over the years that are extremely useful.

1. Always buy a tent one "person" larger than you need. IOW, a two man is really a one and three is really a two and so forth, unless you enjoy clausterphobia and stuffy air at night. Too big of a tent is bad the other direction, but too small is way worse.

2. Sleeping bag ratings are inaccurate. As noted above, buy more rating than you need. This also builds in a margin for truly unexpected cold fronts, especially at elevation.

3. Aluminum poles on a tent are worth the extra upfront cost. They provide a stiffer structure against wind and they are usually far lighter than fiberglass as the diameter goes up. You usually get what you pay for on a tent and the better ones use aluminum.

4. Have a full coverage rain fly. It will make your trip miserable to have a leaky tent. The easiest way to insure water inside your tent is to have too small a fly. As noted, one with a vestibule is the best. I try and stay away from A-frame tents myself because the overhangs at the door(s) are usually pathetic. On a related note, the first thing purchased for a tent, after a proper footprint/floor saver, should be another group of tent stakes and more line for guy outs. You will find you can never have too many, especially in a good breeze where more tie outs would be really nice.

5. Get a tent with more than one way out. No one likes being climbed over or stepped upon. Makes cleaning easier too.

6. Get any stove you like, just make sure that you take an adequate fuel supply or ensure that you can get the fuel at your destination. Despite having many other options, I still take my surplus alcohol stoves along because they are silent first thing in the morning and they boil water just fine without close observation.

Personally, I can't wait until my son is old enough so that just we two can get back to at least "roughing it" a bit more than my wife currently tolerates. For now I only have an annual hunting trip for a real backwoods camp out.
 
Ditto on the post above that mentioned backpacker.com and backpacking.net forums. I've spent hours on those; lot's of very knowledgable folks.

Both are geared toward backpacking rather than car camping. If you want car camping info, I'd search backpacker.com forums first. Backpacking.net is geared toward lightweight and ultralightweight backpacking. It's the site I visit the most because I have to have a light pack due bad back.

Car camping limits you somewhat on your camping but is dirt cheap compared to backpacking. You can backpack for cheap but in backpacking, cheap = heavy a lot of the time, especially when it comes to sleeping bags.

Have fun.
 
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(In addition to capacity of tents and sleeping bag temp ratings):

" ___ Servings" (Seemingly based on feeding anorexic two-year-olds)

"Stuffed size ___" x ___ " (Because a tiny size in stuff sack is a selling feature for backpackers, sleeping bags are often sold with stuff sacks soooo small that they damage the fill by cold-forming it into a collapsed state. Get a larger stuff sack and store in a large leaf bag.)

"Comes with stakes and guy lines" (In accordance with brother Boats' advice, they usually supply about enough for half the anchor points. Sometimes the stakes are little more than bent pieces of 1/8" wire.)

The advice of full-coverage flies is excellent. The fly sould come down within an inch ot two from the ground. The tiny little "cap" fly, like fiberglass poles, is a sign of a tent to avoid.
 
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