Quick Project for Nathan !

Yeah, actually I went out in the shop while watching the video (and eating my breakfast) and made one just to see how difficult it would be. Never changed out of my bath robe. Gonna need some help mucking the chips out though...

There were a few things in that video that weren't exactly "high precision". So I'm guessing there is stock allowance remaining in key areas that will get addressed later on with whatever jigs they normally use to work on and rebuild engine blocks.
 
Yeah, actually I went out in the shop while watching the video (and eating my breakfast) and made one just to see how difficult it would be. Never changed out of my bath robe. Gonna need some help mucking the chips out though...

There were a few things in that video that weren't exactly "high precision". So I'm guessing there is stock allowance remaining in key areas that will get addressed later on with whatever jigs they normally use to work on and rebuild engine blocks.

Pictures, or it didn't happen.:D Just hope you were wearing your steel toed slippers.

Could the tolerances you mentioned be dialed in with the sleeves, bearings, journals and guides that the aluminum would require for the high wear areas, or were you referring to something else (asked the definitely NOT a machinist guy).

Taylor
 
Could the tolerances you mentioned be dialed in with the sleeves, bearings, journals and guides that the aluminum would require for the high wear areas, or were you referring to something else (asked the definitely NOT a machinist guy).

Taylor


Yeah, mostly.

I don't know a lot about engines, but I do know a little bit about machining. Milling the area where the heads attach to the block is already borderline (ought to be ground), but doing it on a Haas while jacked up on a relatively dinky rotary axis it isn't going to be particularly flat. So I expect they already have a grinder with fixtures for that particular operation. Also, I believe the crank sits in babbit bearings that have to be perfectly aligned, sized and round. I figure about the only way to get those bearing seats correct would be to line bore it from the end, with the bearing caps in place. Again, I expect they already have a machine or jig for doing that, so they'd just need to leave a little stock allowance to clean up.

I noticed they at least used a boring head to finish the cylinder bores (that get sleeved), but they didn't stop the spindle, orient, and back away from the wall to retract, they just kept it turning and retracted like they were using a reaming cycle. I'd throttle somebody in my shop for doing that, but I don't think they knew any better.

They said "we noticed some rubbing in a cut" with the cutter they were using, so they "made a new one". They didn't make a new one, they just relieved a neck on the shank.

So, I kind of got the impression they are a race shop that has some machining, rather than a machine shop that has some car work. Which makes their accomplishment all the cooler, but leaves me doubting they can achieve the precision necessary to cut certain features with that mill. But, being a car shop, I'll bet they know what they're doing with engines and have other ways of tweaking that block.
 
There are machines specifically designed for decking the block above cylinders. Also for line boring.

If you have time before lunch I will take one beefed up in small block Ford. Please make the cylinders large enough I can have 4.060 pistons. I will use the parts from my 408 stoker and new pistons to have a real light 427 for my jet boat. I am only getting 425hp out of it with the cast block and aluminum heads. I figure with a few more inches and less weight I could go faster and my diet isn't working.
 
..., but I do know a little bit about machining.

I just put you in for the "Understatement of the Year Award, 2011":D

Milling the area where the heads attach to the block is already borderline (ought to be ground), but doing it on a Haas while jacked up on a relatively dinky rotary axis it isn't going to be particularly flat.

Ah, OK, gotcha.

So, I kind of got the impression they are a race shop that has some machining, rather than a machine shop that has some car work.

That makes sense.

Thanks for the detailed reply Nathan. I'm a recovering car nut (before I had a family and disposable income started going towards silly things like a mortgage and retirement savings), so I was very interested in what a real life machinist had to say about the precision aspect of this operation. We used to do things like open up the intake and exhaust manifolds with a die grinder, freehand, 'til it looked "'bout right".:o

I realize that's not the same as bearing seats, so to put your mind at ease, I promise we always sent heads and blocks out to a machine shop to face decks and bore the crank/cam journals, etc.

Taylor
 
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