Radical, dirt-cheap MUSCRAT design!!!

Jim March

Jim March

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Cool, no? This is pictured using a pair of Newt's Woos...priced at $25 each, plus the cost of drilling two holes and putting in a rivet, and doing a single large sheath instead of two smaller ones...you're at what, $60 tops? 4" blade length on each end would be better, which means either convincing Newt to do 4" "stretched Woos" or going with some other similar design...maybe we can get REKAT to consider this?

All comments welcome, including the inevitable ones that'll label me a total nutcase
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Jim
 
For legal purposes, would this be a double edged knife??
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Would it be pinned to keep the blades from rotating a full 360, or would that be a feature of the knife?

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It is not the fall that kills you. It is the realization that "yes, you did something that stupid."
 
Well, you could pin it in such fashion that once deployed and in a combat grip, it would be less "jiggly"...although a bit of wiggle up and down at the pivot point wouldn't kill you.

With no pins, you could perhaps rotate it into a position where it's sort of a double-edge blade. The tips might overlap though. Pinning sounds good.

Jim
 
Another thing: you could pin micarta, wood or whatever slabs to the "outside" grip faces, as long as they were relatively thin.

Jim
 
Now that's quite an innovative idea. Would it be possible to locate the pivot slightly off center so that neither edge would be exposed when the two knives are folded together? Or, bulding upon a previous response, you could fold the knives the other way, with the edges facing outward, and then you would have a double-edged knife. Either way you would be able to carry it/them in smaller, more conventional sheath setup.
One way I would improve the design, however, would be the addition of one or more steel bands that slide freely over the handles, so that when the knives are opened, the band could be slid over both of the handles (in the center), providing a way to lock them in this position. To unlock, simply slide the band down until it is only over one of the handles, and fold them back. Does this explanation make sense? That method would only work if the handles were "de-horned", however.

JK

 
Hmmm. See, I don't think making the central pivot point "stiff" in any way really helps. Even with that pivot "left sloppy", it's still the equivelent of a fixed blade knife in the hand...the flexibility isn't any different from how an FB normally moves in the hand.

There's still a lot of difference between this and any current pair of scissors
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. The name is more of a joke than anything else.

As to the initial draw, ya, I see what you mean...it'd be much easier to sheath if the blades fully overlapped. That means you're into a sort of "Bali-Song-esque" draw sequence, but hey, a little style never hurts
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. And it's NOT an actual butterfly of any sort, for legal reasons.

Legally, it seems to me it's equivelent to any other 4" FB. For 4" jurisdictions like NYC and Wash state, it'd be the absolute baddest thing around
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Something else...I wonder if a "T-grip" would be possible, where you've got both a forward-grip (or reverse) knife and a punchdagger? Dunno what the ergonomics would be like with THAT kinda hold...might be practical though.

Jim
 
I understand what you are saying, Jim. How about using detent pins as a simple way of "indexing" the fully open position? This would probably help on the initial draw, i.e. before the actual grip is established. Depending on the size/depth of the detent, it would also provide sort of a compromise between the "sloppy" and "stiff" of the pivot. You've got a good design idea, either way.

JK
 
wasn't there a song called "Muskrat Love" ?

Jim, you have done more to further the idea of a two-bladed tac knife than anyone, keep the ideas coming.

here's some con's I see with the design. In knife fighting,
forward grip=good,
reverse grip=good,
two grips=not so good

It would be real intimidating, but if someone called your bluff and you actually had to use it, you would always have a blade facing YOU, unless you only used it as a horizontal two-way slasher. It also would be wiggly - with two pieces of metal on a pivot as your handle, it will be more unstable than any single fixed blade would.
 
I love crazy innovative people - they make the world go around.

Having said that - I have to agree with RH - this isn't my idea of a fighting knife...

But what do I know anyway...
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