Ranger Ontario Deal

I heard from people at BrigadeQM that they were expecting them to start shipping in January.
 
Will quality likely go down some when the line-up is taken over by a large corporation?

I am interested in the Ranger knives. Should I hurry up and buy before Ontario takes over?
 
ShooterMcgavin said:
Will quality likely go down some when the line-up is taken over by a large corporation?

I am interested in the Ranger knives. Should I hurry up and buy before Ontario takes over?
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No. Justin said his original warranty is still there, we trust him ;)
 
Blade failure is different than fit-and-finish. I'd rather own a knife that never needs its warranty ;)

I was recently looking at a friend's new Ontario TAK-1. The grind on the blade was very uneven!
 
ShooterMcgavin said:
Blade failure is different than fit-and-finish. I'd rather own a knife that never needs its warranty ;)

I was recently looking at a friend's new Ontario TAK-1. The grind on the blade was very uneven!
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I'm not sure if you've seen any of Justin's "production" Rangers, but their grinds aren't always exactly even, either. ;) Fit and finish is likely to go up with the Ontario deal. Justin said the warranty will be the same and quality in general will go up, and I'm inclined to trust him. He's a very good guy. :thumbup:

Justin will still do customs, though. :thumbup: And those will be better quality and fit and finish than the production Ontario Rangers, or the old "production" Rangers made by Justin himself.
 
I had 3 Rangers and two customs from Justin.The grinds were very uneven on production Rangers ,they looked like cheep knives but they hold up very well.I expect Ontario to improve fit and finish and If Justin says that the warranty is the same ,we can trust him.He is a very nice guy,a pleasure to deal with him.HE WILL STILL DO CUSTOMS.
 
shunsui said:
What exactly is "grind" ?
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I was referring to the final edge shape of the knife, opposite the knife spine. Viewing the edge from the handle towards the tip, some portions looked deeper than others. The edge on one side was ground much furth than on the other side, and then it would switch to being ground shallower on that side a little further down. The tip of the knife almost looked slightly bent, but this was on a brand new knife.

Ok. If you guys state that the quality will rise when Ontario takes over, then I'll take your word for it. Thanks.
 
Dantor said:
No. Justin said his original warranty is still there, we trust him ;)
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A post I read by Justin said that the Ontario knives warranty will be handled by Ontario. Only pre-Ontario knives and customs he does in the future will be handled by his warranty.

Justin's personal warranty is top notch. He will go out of his way to satisfy a customer.

Ontario's warranty is hit or miss. Some people have had good luck while others have not. Before the legal battle, RAT was doing a lot of warranty work on Ontario RAT knives, simply because Ontario refused to.
 
ShooterMcgavin said:
I was referring to the final edge shape of the knife, opposite the knife spine. Viewing the edge from the handle towards the tip, some portions looked deeper than others. The edge on one side was ground much furth than on the other side, and then it would switch to being ground shallower on that side a little further down. The tip of the knife almost looked slightly bent, but this was on a brand new knife.
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Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the slight bend at the tip of the knife might be due to quenching ? I read about something similar in another thread once. I have a knife with a bend at the tip and the grind there is funny looking, rather like a roller coaster twist. It's in a spot where it doesn't matter much, but I suppose it needs to be cleaned up with some grinding or diamond stones. It was new too.
 
I handled the new lineup at the blade show. The recurve being offered is the bomb. funny i tried to buy the knife twice from the rep, i didnt understand they were a demo booth only. Was the first time at the show, my head was spinning. Just wanted to score the best new stuff.:D:D
 
Elen said:
I'm not sure if you've seen any of Justin's "production" Rangers, but their grinds aren't always exactly even, either. ;) Fit and finish is likely to go up with the Ontario deal. Justin said the warranty will be the same and quality in general will go up, and I'm inclined to trust him. He's a very good guy. :thumbup:

Justin will still do customs, though. :thumbup: And those will be better quality and fit and finish than the production Ontario Rangers, or the old "production" Rangers made by Justin himself.
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not to stir up anything but will the prices go up as well?
 
kiahs said:
A post I read by Justin said that the Ontario knives warranty will be handled by Ontario. Only pre-Ontario knives and customs he does in the future will be handled by his warranty.

Justin's personal warranty is top notch. He will go out of his way to satisfy a customer.

Ontario's warranty is hit or miss. Some people have had good luck while others have not. Before the legal battle, RAT was doing a lot of warranty work on Ontario RAT knives, simply because Ontario refused to.
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this is a quote from the Ranger forum by Justin;
THe production stuff will be as good or better than the current quality. I will continue to design and produce customs so no wories there. The warranty stays intact. The only difference will be if you got you blade from me you send it to me if you get it from Ontario you will send it to them.
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To me that says no matter what problems (if any) come up, Justin will make sure it's taken care of.
 
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kiahs makes a very good point.

Dantor said:
this is a quote from the Ranger forum by Justin;

To me that says no matter what problems (if any) come up, Justin will make sure it's taken care of.
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That quote says to me: I will honor the warranty of the knives I sell and Ontario will honor the warranty of the knives they sell.
At any point, Ontario can override Justin's wishes and say "ok, will will warranty the new blades for 1 year", for example. I question how much leverage Justin has in maintaining the warranty through Ontario.

shunsui said:
Thanks for the clarification. Do you think the slight bend at the tip of the knife might be due to quenching ? I read about something similar in another thread once. I have a knife with a bend at the tip and the grind there is funny looking, rather like a roller coaster twist. It's in a spot where it doesn't matter much, but I suppose it needs to be cleaned up with some grinding or diamond stones. It was new too.
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The slight bend could have been a quenching problem. I studied the knife for a while, specifically the tip, and I couldn't be certain. I am not sure, but I think that the greatly skewed grind of the edge right at the tip was giving the false impressin that the tip itself was slightly bent. The spine may have been perfectly straight. It was weird and I didn't like it.
 
knives can warp during the quench

I had one of my "derelicts" warp so badly that it was unusable and had to be sent back to be worked on again at the heat treaters

anywho

if you have a problem with Ontario, just order a custom from Justin...problem solved ;)
 
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