Ranger RD6 or BK7+BM10300

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Almost the same price. BK7 performed quite well in Cliff Stamp's review. No such review available for Ranger RD series.

I need a 6/7-inch fixed-blade. I would be glad to have an extra reasonably good folder, if the quality of the fixed-blade is not compromised too much.

Hard decision for me. Any suggestion? Thank u for ur input.
 
The RD6 is a great knife for the price, and I’d much rather have another one than the Becker. The 5160 steel that Justin uses is very tough, and is not brittle like the steel that Becker use.
 
While I have noted a RD series knife, a number of others have. There isn't a lot of such information on Bladeforums, probably because Justin has a forum on Knifeforums and thus the people using his work tend to hang out there.

The RD series and the CU/9 and Combat Bowie while appearing similar are actually quite different in terms of primary focus. The RD series are more heavy utility pieces where the Beckers are optomized for finer work.

What exactly are you planning on using the knife for mainly? Does it include really heavy work like prying with body weight, heavy splitting, cutting hard materials, and so forth?

-Cliff
 
Thank you guys for replying.

Cliff,

The ideal knife I'm currently looking for should be able to meet two requirements:

1. handling OCCASIONAL heavy work easily, including all those tasks you mentioned. The knife won't be used to chop bricks or nails for hundreds times.

2. being razor-sharp. RD seems too thick. I'm not good at sharpening and all that I have is a Spyderco Sharpmaker.
 
I purchase a flat ground RD6 from SageCreekoutfitters.com a few weeks ago and was very dissapointed.
The piece is well made but it feels like a 2x4 in the hand. It is very heavy and clunky.
It came with really no edge to speak of. It was so thick that was practically rounded over. It wouldn't cut paper, rope, wood, or skin. I was able to run it over my arm applying significant force no problem. I spent several hours thinning it out on a Norton Tri-hone, but it needs a belt grinder.

The tip is so thick that it has trouble piercing thin cardboard without a swinging stab.

I have no doubt that Justin is an accomplished knife maker, but honestly, this piece has no business being called a knife.
Based on what I have read this is how all the RD are made so I don't think I got a dud.
I simply can't imagine what knife like this would be used for that a $15 hardware store hatchet couldn't do.

I also own a BK7. For your purposes it is definately the blade of choice. The Becker is is very sharp, holds a great edge, and it also very tough.
 
Justin can custom make an RD for you. of course it may cost more for the work but his prices are great for what you get. the regular RD is hollow ground with a convex edge. you just need occasional stropping to maintain the convex edge. you can request a higher hollow grind and/or a higher convex edge bevel for better slicing. or you can even request a 3/16" flatground version! the possibilites are endless, give him an email.

the regular RD is made for abuse and chopping, NOT for slicing. BUT justin can tailor make one for you. my RD6 is one of his prototype bowies. the stock thickness is 1/4" but it's very sharp for such a thick blade. the spine is left at full thickness for almost half the width of the blade so it's one tough blade.
 
The nice thing about buying your Ranger straight from Justin is that you can get him to thin the edge before it is sent. Both of my RDs have thinned edges, and it makes all the difference in the world.

A flat ground RD6 with a thinned edge should suit your needs well. Tough as nails, and a good slicer.
 
JayRatt said:
I purchase a flat ground RD6 from SageCreekoutfitters.com a few weeks ago and was very dissapointed.
The piece is well made but it feels like a 2x4 in the hand. It is very heavy and clunky.
It came with really no edge to speak of. It was so thick that was practically rounded over. It wouldn't cut paper, rope, wood, or skin. I was able to run it over my arm applying significant force no problem. I spent several hours thinning it out on a Norton Tri-hone, but it needs a belt grinder.

The tip is so thick that it has trouble piercing thin cardboard without a swinging stab.

I have no doubt that Justin is an accomplished knife maker, but honestly, this piece has no business being called a knife.
Based on what I have read this is how all the RD are made so I don't think I got a dud.
I simply can't imagine what knife like this would be used for that a $15 hardware store hatchet couldn't do.

I also own a BK7. For your purposes it is definately the blade of choice. The Becker is is very sharp, holds a great edge, and it also very tough.

perhaps you were misinformed or had different expectations about the RD series. they're choppers NOT slicers. even still, that blade does sound more blunt than it's supposed to be. give justin a buzz. he has a lifetime warranty on his stuff and his customer service is top notch.

for the record i have 3 RD's a 6, 7, and 9. the 6 is hollow ground and thus the "sharpest" of them all. the 7 and 9 are flat ground and YES justin's flat grinding is thick with a lot of steel behind the edge, BUT the edge is still nice and sharp for such a thick blade. the tip IS more blunt than other knives but that's by design. the tip is definitely very strong albeit not as pointy.

contact justin, he'll make things right. and if you really don't like it, sell it. i'll be 1st in line :D
 
JayRatt said:
The piece is well made but it feels like a 2x4 in the hand. It is very heavy and clunky.
You need blade heavy balance to give the necessary heft for chopping, different people have difference preferences on how much weight is functional. If you use large khukuris Justin's blade will seem light and float in the hand in comparison.

It wouldn't cut paper, rope, wood, or skin. I was able to run it over my arm applying significant force no problem.
This is a problem, regardless of the edge angle, the knife should be extremely sharp.

I spent several hours thinning it out on a Norton Tri-hone, but it needs a belt grinder.
Use an x-coarse hone, those norton oil stones are not that aggressive, I guarantee I could put a 15/20 degree angle on the edge in less than 15 minutes with handstones, that is a conservative estimate, it would likely be a lot shorter.

The tip is so thick that it has trouble piercing thin cardboard without a swinging stab.
This sounds like it might be a sharpness issue, especially considering the nature of the edge. Even very thick points should be able to do that if sharp.

... this piece has no business being called a knife.
Well if it was properly sharpened, not actually change the angles, just sharpened, much of the problems would be solved. Many knives come with less than optimal edges, though what you described is on the low end of NIB sharpness I have seen

Edge geometry is always a balance between cutting ability and durability, everyone has different preferences, ask Justin to modify your to suit your needs, this is one of the benefits of working with a custom maker. He can make it as much of a "knife" as you want.

I simply can't imagine what knife like this would be used for that a $15 hardware store hatchet couldn't do.
Batoning to split woods is easier with a long knife, and assuming it is sharpened, the knife would be easier doing a lot of food prep, cutting light grasses and light woody vegetation, and much utility work due to a longer section of straight edge, it also makes a better prying tool in many cases due to ease of inserting the tip and better leverage.

yuchang said:
1. handling OCCASIONAL heavy work easily, including all those tasks you mentioned. The knife won't be used to chop bricks or nails for hundreds times.

2. being razor-sharp. RD seems too thick. I'm not good at sharpening and all that I have is a Spyderco Sharpmaker.
Get the flat ground RD, and either order it from Justin and specify a wood working edge, say 0.035"-0.045" thick, and with an edge bevel of less than 20 degrees per side so it touches up on the Sharpmaker easily.

If you buy one on the secondary market, have it modified to the above spec's by Justin or someone close to you who can do it. If the edge is a lot thicker then you compensate by adjusting the height of the primary edge grind.

-Cliff
 
JayRatt- I have a RD9 and a BK9. Based off of my own experiences, the above post by Cliff seems very valid.

If you are willing to spend a little time, the knife can be customized quite easily to fit your needs.

Good luck. Ultimately, if you don't like it, just sell it. It should go quite quickly on this or other forums.




(I don't mean to sound glib with the "just sell it" phrase. I only mean to imply that the RD reputation is quite good and the product seems to sell in the second hand market quickly, without a significant price hit.)
 
If you bought it from me and it's not to your liking or not what you expected all you need to do is return it and I'll refund your money including return shipping. That's our policy on everything we sell, always has been.

Scott

www.sagecreekoutfitters.com
 
Hey Nate,

As of now I only have a RD6 Black Blade/ soft Orange handle and a RD7 in satin blade/ Bright Orange handle. Both flat ground/convex edge. I do however have an order in with Justin, and besides making me the standard combo's I'm also having him make some unique combo's as well like, Satin/Osage Orange, Black blade/cocobolo and Black Blade/ Blue glow G-10 and a couple other combo's that we've been talking about. I'll keep you posted or feel free to give me a call.

Thanks,

Scott

www.sagecreekoutfitters.com
 
I've been buying and using knives for a long time now. This was probably the most dissapointed I've ever been.
The RD6 would never "float in the hand." I own 3 khukuri's. All three feel like precision instruments compared to the RD6. This has to do with the design and shape of the knife more than anything else. Anyone that would say that this blade would ever "float in the hand" has either never handled one or has never handled a well designed knife.

The edge on this knife came as sharp as could has been with the given edge thickness. This was NOT a NIB sharpness issue. The edge was well ground and finished, someone paid a lot of attention to this knife before it left the shop. The edge was simply TOO thick to be an effective cutter on any material.
The knife is not even an effective chopper because of the length. It's not particularly blade heavy, almost neutral.
There is no way to get enough leverage to chop effectivley, this is made worse by the fact that the blade has no belly or curves of any kind. The blade is like a stright edge. Imagine trying to chop with a very heavy 12" ruler.

Of course we can customize any knife to suit our needs. However, it is stupid to produce a knife that would need to be heavily modified in order to function. There are plenty of other well made knives for similar prices that arrive sharp and ready to work.

Very little of what Cliff has said in this istance is actually valid because he seems to be analyzing the situation with a RD9 in mind. This knife only has a 6in blade so the rhetoric about chopping, batonning, splitting, and clearing light vegetation doesn't really follow. No one would buy a 6in knife intending to do these operations. I certaily did not.
Because it is so stout this knife would make a great prying tool. If Justin were to market it as an entry tool it would make more sense. It has just enough of a point and an edge to jam it into a door frame. That's about all.

All that said, the edge as been modified and thinned out to the best of my ability but I'm still not particularly fond of it. If anyone is interested in it in htis condition let me know.
 
JayRatt said:
The RD6 would never "float in the hand."
I said it would float in the hand compared to other blades such as the larger khukuris. I have several which would make the RD6 seem light in comparison. Beyond the weight and heft there is also ergonomics, I like that basic handle shape (based on using a SHBM) with a few modifications.

I own 3 khukuri's.
Which ones? Have you worked extensively with any of the large Ang Khola's from HI, or something like a Salyan?

Anyone that would say that this blade would ever "float in the hand" has either never handled one or has never handled a well designed knife.
I have handled a Randall #1 which many judge as one of the top blades of that type, as well as Ray Kirk's JS knife, a nice bowie by Murrary Carter, etc. .

The edge on this knife came as sharp as could has been with the given edge thickness. This was NOT a NIB sharpness issue.
Your comments earlier :

JayRatt said:
I was able to run it over my arm applying significant force no problem.
This is a sharpness issue not a geometry one. As for not cutting rope and woods "well", there is always a balance between cutting ability and durability. The RD series, especially the hollow ground ones were made with a tactical viewpoint in mind, Justin has done testing which should give you his viewpoint and the reviews on his webpage details this clearly. It isn't made out to be a knife optomized for fine cutting. Ref :

http://www.theporcupine.dk/rkrd7test.htm

Here is the copy from the webpage :

"Ranger Knives is a privately owned and operated company devoted to the development and construction of hard use knives that will not just survive use in the harshest of conditions but beg for more while doing the job."

That seems pretty clear. You could also just drop the guy an email or post on his forum to check his products out and see if they do what you need. It isn't like it is hard to get information on them

...seems to be analyzing the situation with a RD9 in mind. This knife only has a 6in blade so the rhetoric about chopping, batonning, splitting, and clearing light vegetation doesn't really follow.
The same holds, that size of blade properly sharpened does those things better than a cheap hatchet, a longer blade more so still of course. A six inch blade cuts twice as wide a swath of light vegetation as a hatchet and does not have the hooking problems of vegetation binding under the heel. It is much faster batoning through small woods than a hatchet. As to why you bought the blade, how can anyone else anwer that, i was just addressing this comment you made :

I simply can't imagine what knife like this would be used for that a $15 hardware store hatchet couldn't do.
There are lots of things as noted, adjust the edge angle and it does even more.

-Cliff
 
Actually Cliff I own the knife, it is a geometry issue and only a geometry issue. I really don't need someone who's idea of a knife performance is how well it survives being jammed into rebar with a hammer telling me what's wrong with a knife they have never handled.
You may have duped a lot of people on this forum into thinking that you are a scientist and that your tests are valid. I am not so easily convinced. Your analysis in this case, as in most, is wrong.
 
JayRatt

I am sory to hear that you are not happy with the blade. All I can say is feel free to send it to me and I will reprofile the edge to your liking. At the same time if there are any problems with the handle ergos I can fix that as well. Once again I am sorry to hear that you are not happy with the blade and I am more than willing and happy to fix the problem.
 
JayRatt said:
...it is a geometry issue and only a geometry issue.
A 90 degree spine will readily cut skin under light pressure if it is sharpened, and edges don't need to be thin or acute to cut paper. For rope and woods yes geometry comes into play but the other two problems would easily be corrected with sharpening without reprofiling.

-Cliff
 
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