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Ranger RD9 - Needs some Work.

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I received my first Ranger knife today, the Ranger RD9.
I bought it to tide me over till the new Swamp Rat line comes out.
And I wanted a large "beater" knife to use as a chopper.

I wanted to express some of my first impressions of the knife.
I have to say, that I am alittle disapointed.
I realize this isnt a $250 Swamp Rat, Bussie, etc.
But I was expecting just alittle more for the $120 shipped.

The sheath seems pretty nice, or even above average for a supplied sheath for a knife this price.
There are plenty of loops on the back side, and a couple holes on the bottom for straping it to packs etc.
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The first thing that I noticed that was a bit of a let down, was the flat cut edges of the micarta handle scales.
They are rather rough on the edges, and would be alot more comfortable of they were rounded off.
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Not a huge deal though, I can easily take those off and sand them down smooth.

The next thing I noticed, was a spot missing in the blade coating !
There is a place alittle smaller than an eraser head that is chipped off to the bare metal.
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While I do plan to use this knife hard, and dont expect the coating to last long,
I did at least expect it to be entirely coated when it was breand new.
I just hope this isnt an indication that the finish is basically going to fall off, instead of wearing off.

Some of the cuts and grinds on the blade are uneven or not straight, and have some semi sharp edges to them.
Like the end of the handle, the final cut is at an angle, and has a bit of coating missing there also.
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The back of the blade is not flat, and had several differnt angles ground on it.
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Speaking of the blade,
Are these supposed to me sharp? at all? This one sure isnt.
You actually couldnt cut yourself it you tried !
Maybe they ship them this way, thinking they will only be used as heavy choppers?
This is the first knife I have ever purchased, at any price, that wouldnt cut straight out of the box.
Again, thats something that can be fixed, I did just get a EZE afteral ;)

Now that I am done bitching,
the knife is not that bad, when you take into account its price.
As long as the steel can handle some daily chopping, I think altimately, I will be happy with it, after I do several mods.

It has a good weight to it, and once sharp, should do some major chopping and cutting.
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I mainly wanted to express alot of this, to see if this is typical of these knives.
I know its not meant, or priced, to be a show knife, but still, I expected alittle more fit and finish from it.
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Again, overal, for the $120 shipped, I think I will be pleased with the knife, as long as the steel is decent, and after several mods are done to it.

Thanks for listening to my ranting and raving, I will crawl back in my cave now.
~John
 
jtice said:
While I do plan to use this knife hard, and dont expect the coating to last long,I did at least expect it to be entirely coated when it was breand new. I just hope this isnt an indication that the finish is basically going to fall off, instead of wearing off.

I have seen a couple of similar problems noted, in general you should be aware that powder coatings, even the best ones I have seen, come off immediately in use. After the first serious session it will be obvious where the chopping was performed and after a few days of heavy use such as chopping, and especially splitting, binding woods, it will wear away readily.

Are these supposed to me sharp? at all? This one sure isnt.
You actually couldnt cut yourself it you tried !
Maybe they ship them this way, thinking they will only be used as heavy choppers?

Even heavy chopping knives should be sharp, very sharp, you want the edge to be cutting the wood cleanly for maximum control. It is a bit frustrating to take a new knife and before you can give it a field run you have to do a significant sharpening. Is there anyway you can measure the edge thickness?

Nice detail and pictures, you might want to make a note of this on Justin's forum on Knifeforums because he is active there as are people who have a lot of his knives so your feedback is likely going to be faster and more responsive.

-Cliff
 
I have heard good things about Justin and the rest of the Team at Ranger.

Again, I am not completely knocking this knife.
For the money, and for its intended use, I think its on par.

I think all of the great comments about Rangers just had me expecting more.

Things like the micarta being flat cut, are not quality control issues, its just they way they are.
Nothing a grinder and sand paper cant fix.

The edge not being sharp, again, maybe they mean them to be this way?
Nothing I cant make sharp.

The coating chipping away, that is a quality issue I guess.
Again, I dont expect the knife to look good after use, it just concerned me, that it was already chipping off,
I didnt want it FALLing off, vs. wearing off.

I hate sending things back,
so I might just modify the knife to my liking.

~John
 
Thanks Cliff,
I will mention this on Knifeforums also.

Where exactly should I measure the thickness?

Right at the edge of the coating (right where the bevel starts)
is between 0.064" at the base, and about 0.032" at the tip end.

The last 2" or so of the blade (tip end) are just sharp enough to cut you,
the rest wouldnt cut you if you sat there sawing on your arm all day.

~John
 
jtice said:
The coating chipping away, that is a quality issue I guess.

Yes, it could be related to the finish on the blade, you need a rougher finish underneath for good adhesion, which ironically tends to make the knife more likely to rust long term as it will eventually wear off. I would just check the coating in use, it might be stable. Plus this allows you to see how the edge sharpens, check for durability, edge retention and so on.

jtice said:
Where exactly should I measure the thickness?

There should be a distinct line where the primary bevel meets the edge bevel.

Right at the edge of the coating (right where the bevel starts)
is between 0.064" at the base, and about 0.032" at the tip end.

Assuming this is at the back of the edge, which I think it what you mean, the tip thickness is about where I would want it for heavy wood working. You need it heavier for thicker metals and such and Justin has a tactical background so that profile isn't unreasonable from that point of view. You can ask for specific geometries depending on task. It is nothing that a relief bevel won't address in any case.

As for what to expect/demand, the only way I see to make a reasonable arguement would be to do so on the basic of other products and pricing. I think it is good such posts are made because Justin can check his customer base and adjust accordingly.

-Cliff
 
jtice

I responded on my forum but I wanted to say it here as well. Feel free to send the blade to me and I will make it right.
 
Cliff,
Thanks for the comments.
I understand the coating is going to come off under normal use.
I was just concerned that it seems to be chipping right off this particular spot.
I can make more of it chip off by scratching it with my fingernail.

Justin,
This is one of the reasons I bought the knife in the first place,
I heard nothing but good things about your service.
But I do not like to take advantage of companies return policies.

The combination of the coating chipping, and the blade not sharpend makes me alittle concerned to what else may be wrong with it, that is not visable.
If a knife slips past a some QC steps (this happens, no matter what company its from) would it be safe to say it may have issues in other aspects?
Metal tempering, overal blade shaping, etc.

Due to there being a few issues with this knife, I think I would like to send it in to you.
If it was just one or two things, I wouldnt bother.

How should I contact you, for the shipping address, etc. ?

I will also post this on Knifeforums.

Thank you
~John
 
I hot blued mine when I got it. It has held up well to that coating, treatment. Yes the lines are off, but for what it is and what it's for, suits me fine. Will have a kydex done soon, it is half the blade cost, kinda funny. Mine wasn't real sharp either, but holy crap will it take an edge and quick and hold it. I have already "abused" mine and it is doing really well. I am going to order some smaller ones for some others and myself when I get a chance. I was quite happy with the dollar to performance ratio.
 
jtice said:
Cliff,
Thanks for the comments.
I understand the coating is going to come off under normal use.
I was just concerned that it seems to be chipping right off this particular spot.
I can make more of it chip off by scratching it with my fingernail.

Justin,
This is one of the reasons I bought the knife in the first place,
I heard nothing but good things about your service.
But I do not like to take advantage of companies return policies.

The combination of the coating chipping, and the blade not sharpend makes me alittle concerned to what else may be wrong with it, that is not visable.
If a knife slips past a some QC steps (this happens, no matter what company its from) would it be safe to say it may have issues in other aspects?
Metal tempering, overal blade shaping, etc.

Due to there being a few issues with this knife, I think I would like to send it in to you.
If it was just one or two things, I wouldnt bother.

How should I contact you, for the shipping address, etc. ?

I will also post this on Knifeforums.

Thank you
~John

From feedback I have heard from customers they say that the knives are heat treated perfect and even better than most high end fixed blades and they love them for the money, I have a RD6 myself and I took the handles off stripped the powder coat and polished her up real well, she looks nice and I was surprised the condition of the metal under the powder coat, not perfect but nice enough for me. I would keep the knife and do exactly what you intended to do with it, if you see a problem with chipping I am sure Justin will take care of it then also.

Tom
 
Send it back Bud.
It looks like some rookie employee was practicing on it, on a Friday afternoon!
You could have got 2 Becker BK7's for that price.
 
Generally issues with fit and finish are separate from heat treatment and general steel performance issues. Machetes from example commonly come fairly dull in a rough condition but many manufacturers do use solid stock and have consistent hardening. The opposite is true as well, the number of problems with S30V chipping for example are commonly found on knives with a very high finish.

-Cliff
 
Send it back to Justin, he will make it right like he said, and then you will be a happy camper!
 
jtice said:
I understand the coating is going to come off under normal use.
I was just concerned that it seems to be chipping right off this particular spot.
I can make more of it chip off by scratching it with my fingernail.
The coating wasn't cured properly. Powder coat is much like a knife steel in that its performance is dependant on its "heat treat".

My RD7 had some of the same issues. The handle scales and tang were sharper than the edge, which was .06+ like yours. I fixed all that with a belt sander, but receiving a totally unusable knife made a horrible first impression.
 
OwenM said:
The coating wasn't cured properly. Powder coat is much like a knife steel in that its performance is dependant on its "heat treat".

My RD7 had some of the same issues. The handle scales and tang were sharper than the edge, which was .06+ like yours. I fixed all that with a belt sander, but receiving a totally unusable knife made a horrible first impression.

I agree, this was not the knife to get for a first impression.
But I am not holding it against them, the biggest companies in the world let lemons slip through sometimes.

I think you are right about the coating not getting a proper heat treatment,
If I sat here long enough, I could scratch most of it off with my fingernail,
I know its not supposed to be like that, even junk coating would be stronger than that,
so something didnt go right with this particular knife.

As you said, it was a bit odd to hear so many good things,
but then get a knife that literally wasnt usable out of the box.
Was a first for me.

I will be sending the knife back into Justin in the morning,
sounds like this was a fluke, and that everything will be taken care of.

~John
 
I can say from personal experience that Justin stands behind his knives 100%. If you're not pleased send it in and he'll take care of it.
 
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