RAT 7 vs. Becker 7?

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Hello everyone. I am so new here, I only registered a few moments ago. So newbie nerves are ridin' high.

How would ye ol' experienced blademen of this forum rate the two as a 1 versus the other. I have read many of the threads concerning both of them, but no such info concerning one or the other.

Uses would be mostly camping/hiking/woods all-arounder. Is the RAT7 worth the extra money?

Found this site linked from gun site. I shoot a Kimber 1911 and a S&W 686.

Danka

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Welcome. I am afraid that I can not comment on the RAT 7. I have the BK 7. It has done everything that I have asked of it. You might want to handle one before buying, some people do not like the handles. There are a couple of places local to you that have the Beckers, check out Brigade Quartermasters. I do not think that they have the Rat 7, but carry almost all of the Becker line. Good luck
 
I've had a BK7 and used it hard almost daily for a year or so. It has been my 'big knife' for camping and sea kayak trips. It's been used to chop/spilt wood, general cutting, hammering, light prying and even digging. It was a sad day when it was was stolen from the back of my car as it had become what every good knife should be, a reliable companion. On an online whim and I have replaced it with the RAT7. If you look over on Knife reviews and testing I've posted some initial comments over there on the RAT7 thread.

Overall the RAT feels like a better knife for my purposes. Especially in the ergonomics department. It is easier to choke up on for fine work, it is a slightly better chopper and feels lighter in the hand (although according to the respective web pages it is an ounce or two heavier). It also has a more bush/jungle inspired, less military look which suits me.

The steel guru's will tell you that the BK7 has better steel although for my purposes I can't tell the difference. I have noticed the RAT flexes more, this is probably due to the 1/2 inch full thickness section on the BK7. The RAT is full grind right to the spine. So we could argue that the BK7 is stronger.

The BK7 seems to have a more durable coating (I've scratched some of the RAT7's off already). The BK7 was sharper out of the box and more flawless in it's finish than the RAT. MY RAT was assymetrically ground, not real sharp and has some tiny imperfections where the scales don't quite match the tang - None of these things bother me and I got it shaving sharp in about 5 minutes.

The BK7 has some military/combat features that I don't need. Like a swedge ? (is this what you call the slightly thinned out section at the distal end of the spine?)to aid penetration and the skull crusher pommell (I realise that this is not purely for 'crushing skulls' and has some good utiluty purposes like hammering and heavy prying) The smoother, more rounded pommel of the RAT can still be used for hammering and doesn't chew the back of my hand when chopping. The fuller thickness along the spine is easier on the piece of wood I choose as a mallet when batoning.

As for value for money. That's a tough one. I have gladly paid more for the RAT because it suits my fussy preferences. But the BK7 is the same sort of quality and a substantally cheaper price. Even though I'm happy with the RAT (so far) I would concede that the BK7 is better bang for the buck.

There you go mate, I hope that helps your decision. You won't go wrong with either and it will come down to subjective preference in the end. Welcome to the forums by the way.
 
It's a tough choice cause both are worth the money, no doubt. I think you'd be better off buying both and see which one you like more. If you ever end up buying bk7 and won't like the grip, you can always take the scales off and sandblast them. Thats what I did with mine and its an improvement. If you really want to pick just one of the two then I'd break it down to: Bk7=better steel. Rat-7=better handle.
 
I can't speak to the RAT-7 'cause I don't have one yet, but the BK7 is the best buy on the market today. Except maybe the BK9. The RAT-7 is a handsome knife though, and micarta grips are a nice touch on any knife.
 
Originally posted by oliverplomion
well...if I was you I'll add 25$ and buy a Swamp Rat Camp Tramp...
Much better than them both...

And that would be based upon what? Have you experience with all three, done some research or other testing? Just saying so doesn't make it true.
 
Hey, we're in a free open forum man so instead of being negativ, eat a donuts and relax! My comments are based on that I'm active military, I own some of Swamp Rats products, and work with some other professionals soldiers who own some of the 2 other brands so YES I've tryed them all, and all of them I know who own a BK7 and take a Swamp Rat in hand seem to order a Swamp Rat! I've seen a Bk7 break in the field, not a Swamp Rat yet.

And for the research part I've made some read that and learn:

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/becker_cu_7.html

http://www.physics.mun.ca/~sstamp/knives/camp_tramp.html

So Mr Blues HAVE A GOOD DAY!
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Well, Oliver, I don't think I'm being negative, (and I commend you for your chosen vocation), however you didn't offer your remarks as just your opinion. (By the way, I'm not sure whether your being a professional soldier is any more relevant than had I reported that I've been in law enforcement for 25 years with several years on an SRT team.)

I own knives made by the three manufacturers but as I haven't tested them head to head myself I'd be reluctant to offer such a concrete statement of which knife is the "best". (Now, I may have an opinion but I'd state it as such.)

Beyond that, based upon your reply it seems you haven't any direct experience with the RAT-7.

Oh, and I don't do donuts, but thanks for the offer.
:rolleyes:

Be safe out there.
 
By all accounts Swamp Rats are very good knives. I suspect their greatest advantage is the differential heat treatment. Some prefer the Rat's handle as well. For now, three Beckers in hand beats a Rat on the shelf for the same price, in my book. Come to think of it, A BK7&9 might cost the same as a RAT-7...
 
Hi Blues!
well, for me being professional soldier is kind of relevant since the knives I choose to use are well used trough my job.you know...field exercices or things like that...I could have mention I'm knife instructor for the french anti-terror unit (Lieutnant Olivier PLOMION Matricule 445330 make your research if you're still active in law enforcment) but there was not relevant in this thread...
No I have no experience of the RAT-7, and my only experience of the BK7 is the experiences of my fellows soldiers who I'm working with.
Since they all want to switch to Swamp Rat I found it a good advice to tell Shin1ichi2002 that he will be for sure well served by a Swamp Rat for 25$ more. I have handled the 3 knives and can notice a difference in comfort and workmanship, that's it! I was just giving an advice.
 
Thank you Oliver, I think that helps clear things up.

And yes, I am still currently active for another month after which I will be taking my retirement. (By the way, if you come across my friend Fred Perrin in your military training and travels, please send him my regards.)
 
Hi Blues!
no worry at all! I know Fred very well and will transmit him your regards!You can be sure of that! Take good care!;)
 
Danka, welcome to the forum! There has been at least one comparison I remember, look in the upper right hand corner and find the blue box with the "search" function if you want to check them out.

I have both and if price was not a factor would definantly go with the Rat. The BK-7 starts to hurt my hand with heavy duty work much faster than the Rat. The Rats "padded" handle provides a much more comfortable grip, especially when wet! It just seems to cut better as well.

Do not get me wrong, the Bk-7 is an incredable value, and if you decide you want to modify your knife the Bk-7's handle can be removed for cord-wrap (as I did mine) or other improvements.

When ever I am having problems deciding which knife to choose I do what my wife taught me years ago...buy both! :rolleyes:
 
I don't have the BK7 or Rat 7 but i do have a battle rat and a howling rat. These two knives are great quality and i think the best value knives out there...

In your case i guess the Camp Tramp will suit you best...just have a look around the forum and find out about the knives...i'm sure there are loads of threads about these knives...

Oh yeah...Swamp Rat also offer superb customer service...it took just 2 weeks for the knives to get to me...considering i'm in the uk that's fast...they also have a no questions asked guarantee on their knives...

i'm 100% sure that if you get a swamp rat you'll be more than happy with it...
 
Originally posted by oliverplomion
well...if I was you I'll add 25$ and buy a Swamp Rat Camp Tramp...
Much better than them both...

If tactical is your motive then becker and Rat-7 would be a better choice since they're thinner blades and are overall lighter. Camp T has a rubber grip, I wouldn't try to pound with it. It is a decent chopper but then again, I'd rather have something lighter with increased cutting efficiency and an axe for ultimate chopping.
 
Originally posted by Point44
Oh yeah...Swamp Rat also offer superb customer service...it took just 2 weeks for the knives to get to me...considering i'm in the uk that's fast...they also have a no questions asked guarantee on their knives...

Their customer service is decent. Well, it shouldn't take more than 2 weeks to get your order. They're production knives not custom. When I ordered HR, the knife was stuck in the sheath and I had to pull it out with two hands! When I did finally manage to get it out, some of coating came off. Other folks complain also that sheath is either too loose or too tight fit. They are "ok" knives in my book. I think the Rat line from Ontario is the best value out there right now.
 
I am not an expert on the Becker BK7, the RAT-7, or the Camp Tramp, but there is a price point here. The BK7 can be had for around $45, I found the RAT-7 for $75, and the Swamp Rat Camp Tramp is $128.95 on their web site. Is it better to have one Camp Tramp vs. having the Rat-7 and the BK7? That would have to be Shin1ichi2002's call. A lot of times the restrictions imposed by a budget seem to be passed by. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have a Ferrari, but I drive a Saturn.:cool:
 
The rat-7 is still a new product, that's why the price is still a bit high but will drop once more dealers will carry it.
 
Hey all,
Thanks for taking the time out from hitting the turkey to post your thoughts.

This will be the first fixed/outdoors knife for me since a teen. So trying to figure where my needs/wants are. True in price, BK7 to Rat7 to Camp Tramp is an uphill climb, but not a bad one. I will have to research the Camp Tramp but am not sure if my first real knife should be that much. Maybe better to pick from the first two and see how much damage I can do and what my true needs may be. And then apply that to later knives. (See, already thinking about the next and next purchase!)

I found the BK7 first from a gun magazine and liked its appearance as a designator of function. Yesterday, came across the Rat7 and it doooo loooook sexxxxyy! :D

Bruz, thanks, I will check out a search for more on this comparo. But it never hurts to ask a fresh opinion, imho. Just look at how much thought and interjection we recieved from Blues and Mr. Plomion. Thanks a bunch, again.

Blues, is that Mt. Yonah in North Central Ga.?
Olivier, Denmark? Do you know of Bjarne Ris and the Danish CSC Cycling team? Je suis une cyclist!

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