Rat Trap liner thickness

I must admit, when I saw the pictures that Stockman posted of his new Rat Trap I couldn't help thinking the lock looked extremely thin. I'll be interested to see how they hold up once people start using them heavily.
 
I think it will hold up to everything I would use a folder for, I don't think you could put it into the heavy duty catagory, its a light weight large slicer.
Personaly, I would prefer to accept the extra weight for a thicker locking liner, but this is based on visual peace of mind rather than science.
 
Thanks for the info on the liners!
I do agree it seems a little bit on the thin side, especially since the blade is 3/16ths thick. Whay have a blade that thick and liners( or a liner ) that thin?

My avatar is the battlesickle from Laci Szabo.
 
Stockman said:
I think it will hold up to everything I would use a folder for, I don't think you could put it into the heavy duty catagory, its a light weight large slicer.
Personaly, I would prefer to accept the extra weight for a thicker locking liner, but this is based on visual peace of mind rather than science.
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Why do you hold back so strong?

This thing is thin and a folder with a blade of that thickness to call "not heavy duty" is of no sense.

The way the liner looks bend over i would rather decide to send it back for being tuned. That is a numbered piece and should lock up better.

Why is anybody discussing the sense or nonsense of knife features, when beloved manufactures do something less than optimum. Would anybody say, looking at the Rat Trap, every Microbar is oversized and nonsense? I guess not.

I am thinking about my order, if there are more pieces like that.

The only thing that would change my mind is an statement from the manufacturer considering the liner thickness. If they say its hardcore strong, all right. If not, wont become my new one.
 
Blop,
I agree that the liner thickness makes the Rat-Trap look under-built. Truth is in the using, though.... Once I get my clip converted for tip-up carry, I'll start carying it and using it.
Love to get some use reports from those who have started using it :D
 
Well hell, I ended up posting this in the wrong place. I posted it over in the review section on the Rat Trap, so I'll re-post here:

I'll probably catch flack for this post, but the overall thickness of the liner is not that important in the overall scheme of things. In fact, a heavy liner can be an illusion of strength if the overall lock design is not right. I've had folders with a liner larger than .060 thick fail by simple hand pressure. What is important on locking folders is the "triangle" of physics that exists between the stop pin, the pivot pin, and the lock. The wider you separate this triangle the more "heavy duty" the folder becomes. The Rat Trap has a pretty large "triangle" to it. The next important feature is the mate between the liner and the blade in locked position. If you get all of that right and have the right angle on the mate as well as the overall liner, the thickness of the liner becomes WAY less important. True, you could get something too thin and it would buckle, but from what I've seen the Rat Trap doesn't have this problem.

As for "heavy duty" abuse, how many times are you going to be taking a folder and batoning it through a sapling? I've done this testing knives before and it typically loosens the mechanism of any liner lock folder, regardless of the overall liner thickness.

I handled one of the Rat Traps at Knob Creek and I wouldn't be scared to take it anywhere. It's a damn fine folder in my opinion with good ergonomics, strength, and comfort built in.

Jeff Randall
 
Blop said:
Why do you hold back so strong?

This thing is thin and a folder with a blade of that thickness to call "not heavy duty" is of no sence
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I am not holding back, my comments about the thinness of the liner lock was an aestetic comment only. The thickness or lack of thickness creates no detrimental attributes to its locking ability, it locks up tight and is performing to my expectations.
My idea of "heavy duty" is a Strider AR, Buck Strider, Spyderco Manix and this type of tactical folder. The Rat Trap to me is a light weight, yet large, utility knife that will out slice most and is more practical than tactical.
 
Stockman said:
I am not holding back, my comments about the thinness of the liner lock was an aestetic comment only.
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Count it on my limited english but to me it has sound like you were expecting more but didn´t tell here.

I sampled all pictures available about this folder and on yours i found (just looking at the picture) that the liner was somehow bend over to fit in.

As to thickness itself: Truly a Strider locks with half the part of the liner so at least there is not much more than the same thickness holding the knife open. The Millies liner is as thick with not much of a problem reported. I guess a liner locks right if it is not moving over by pressure and is not bending that much.

Using will tell. Right.

As for the overall thickness of the blade i do expect a heavy duty folder from that company. Maybe thats just me. But i think SRKW has some testing done and knows why a liner like this is all right for a spectrum of tasks. I would like to hear about them.
 
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