Ray Gun for the Military

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Ray gun makes targets feel like they're on fire U.S. military interested in weapon that emits 130-degree, non-lethal beam

By Elliott Minor

MOODY AIR FORCE BASE, Georgia - The military's new weapon is a ray gun that shoots a beam that makes people feel as if they will catch fire.

The technology is supposed to be harmless — a non-lethal way to get enemies to drop their weapons.

Military officials say it could save the lives of innocent civilians and service members in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

The weapon is not expected to go into production until at least 2010, but all branches of the military have expressed interest in it, officials said.

During the first media demonstration of the weapon Wednesday, airmen fired beams from a large dish antenna mounted atop a Humvee at people pretending to be rioters and acting out other scenarios U.S. troops might encounter.

The crew fired beams from more than 500 yards (450 meters) away, nearly 17 times the range of existing non-lethal weapons, such as rubber bullets.

While the sudden, 130-degree Fahrenheit (54-degree Celsius) heat was not painful, it was intense enough to make participants think their clothes were about to ignite.

"This is one of the key technologies for the future," said Marine Col. Kirk Hymes, director of the non-lethal weapons program which helped develop the new weapon. "Non-lethal weapons are important for the escalation of force, especially in the environments our forces are operating in."

The system uses millimeter waves, which can penetrate only 1/64th of an inch of skin, just enough to cause discomfort. By comparison, common kitchen microwaves penetrate several inches of skin.

The millimeter waves cannot go through walls, but they can penetrate most clothing, officials said. They refused to comment on whether the waves can go through glass.

Two airmen and 10 reporters volunteered to be shot with the beams, which easily penetrated various layers of winter clothing.
 
I've known about this one- and been an advocate- for a couple years. It's called the "pain beam" developmentally; we're not seeing that (non-PC) term in this news release. :cool:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=military+pain+beam&btnG=Google+Search

High-tech weapons kind of show the dichotomy between us and the "barbaric savages" we're at war with.

We would use this technology to dispell crowds without killing anyone... Islamofascist goons would use it to torture enemies of their idealogy. :(

The military declined my proposal- the pig offal water cannon. It would have cost a lot less...

Mike
 
Been watching this one for a while. Anybody know the size of the power supply???

To say a certain frequency wave won't hurt you is a misnomer IMO. Depends on the power level transmitted. Take out transmitter X and replace it with transmitter 10X and I believe it'll cause more than an unplesant sensation.

As to penetration, different frequencies are better than others. True. Resonance in matter dissipates some frequencies immediately and others are not troubled by it the same way. 60Ghz, for example won't penetrate the atmosphere. Air disperses it.
 
Looks like there are all kinds of sci-fi weapons making their way onto the scene soon. Check out the railgun that the navy is going to have available in the next dozen years. :eek:

Jake
 
The military is also doing some interesting research with sound-based weapons as well. I'd google an article, but my company's stupid web filter thinks I'm a violence threat because I did a search with the word 'weapon'. :thumbdn: :grumpy: :barf:
 
My boss concurs. Millimeter waves are as dangerous as any other radio wave, depending upon the transmit power and time exposed. Additionally the eyes would be susceptible even at lower power. He also laughed at the idea that there would be no possibility for friendly fire casualties. Antennas have what are called side lobes. These can point in very odd directions, and even behind the antenna.

Keep in mind that I'm very impressed with this weapon. The more lethal the better IMO.
 
I dunno, Andy.

Thing is, our forces are less likely to use lethal force, even, sometimes, when it's called for. Less-lethal force holds many fewer restraints.

J
 
Thats true, I certainly want you guys to have options. What would be ideal would be a switch. Lethal/Non-lethal. That would be quite easy to design into the weapon. As would different frequencies transmitted.

"OK you ***** aren't going to stop?? We'll switch to microwaves, and up the power and fry you in your spot."
 
The military is also doing some interesting research with sound-based weapons as well. I'd google an article, but my company's stupid web filter thinks I'm a violence threat because I did a search with the word 'weapon'. :thumbdn: :grumpy: :barf:

Maybe they saw your avatar!!! <grin> <said in a joking tone from across the room>

And Guys,

Listen to Andy. He knows whereof he speaks. He is not just talking through his hat -- or helmet!
 
And Guys,

Listen to Andy. He knows whereof he speaks. He is not just talking through his hat -- or helmet!


Thanks Bill, but you'd better limit that policy to wireless communication equipment. The rest is mostly hot air.:rolleyes:


Hot air, get it?;)
 
I suspect that this PC non-sense will have all of the usual drawbacks of using tear gas or stun guns. The enemy will simply use real weapons and turn our pain ray into a giant bullseye and recruiting poster.

We all know what happens to those who begin to rely on pain inducing non-lethal force.....

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Maybe they saw your avatar!!! <grin> <said in a joking tone from across the room>

And Guys,

Listen to Andy. He knows whereof he speaks. He is not just talking through his hat -- or helmet!

Why, whatever do you mean sir! My wife considers me a rather distinguished looking gent. :D
 
"There goes the supertechnological soldier, staggering cumbrously forward to wreak destruction on anyone he can entice within range....Meanwhile, the despicable enemy has opened fire with an old-fashioned but extremely cheap and efficient sub-machine gun." D.Langford - physicist - author of "War in 2080 - The future of Military Technology"
 
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