Real application M390 test

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I have a buddy that runs a ranch here close to where I live. One of the tasks each spring is to castrate hundreds of bull calves. We were talking about knives and steel and what he uses out on the ranch. He has always used a 3 blade stockman, usually Case or Buck, and always carbon steel. He feels stainless doesn't take an edge as easily, and doesn't hold it as well. When he is cutting the calves, he is usually able to do 70-80 before having to touch up the edge. That blade he uses on his stockman is super thin. Well, I have an M390 Mini Grip and I was curious how it would hold up. I love collecting and reading about the latest knife designs and super steels, but day to day I don't have many opportunities to see what they are capable of. He said he'd be willing to give it a shot, even though it was stainless.

I sharpened it on the EdgePro to a tree topping edge, matching the factory bevel which was about 50 degrees inclusive and loaned him the knife. The results were dissapointing to say the least. He made it through about 30 before switching back to his Case. He said the first few cut beautifully, but that tree topping edge left quick and it got to where he was really having to force it.

Well, I thought maybe it was due at least partly to having such an obtuse edge angle. I asked if he'd be willing to give it another shot if I reprofiled it. He said, "Sure, bring it on!" I threw it back on the EdgePro and took it down to a 30 degree inclusive and again made it tree topping sharp.

A couple of days later I get a call and he says, "I don't know what you did to this knife, but it is amazing!" He cut 154 that day, and said he could still easily shave arm hair. It didn't have that tree topping edge anymore, but he said it was still working great. I told him to keep it and see how far it would go. A few days later he called and told me he was able to get through another 50 before he was having to force it too hard. 204! Compared to his usual 70-80 on the Case, I think that's a pretty good result in a real world test. I got the knife back today and it still can shave arm hair, but you can feel the edge is very toothy and I can see a spot or two that needs to be worked on. Here's a couple of pics of a knife that's cut 204 bull calves:

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Here it is after a little soap and water:

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My common sense understanding is that a thicker edge will hold better due to the extra material supporting it, but will cut less efficiently. A thinner edge should dull faster for the same reason, but cut much better. Can someone wise me up on this?
Did he hand it back because it cut poorly rather than having dulled too much?
 
My common sense understanding is that a thicker edge will hold better due to the extra material supporting it, but will cut less efficiently. A thinner edge should dull faster for the same reason, but cut much better. Can someone wise me up on this?
Did he hand it back because it cut poorly rather than having dulled too much?

Not really....

Edge geometry can really effect performance, the thinner the better, but that comes with a cost, that being that the blade being a slicer.
 
Not really....

Edge geometry can really effect performance, the thinner the better, but that comes with a cost, that being that the blade being a slicer.

What would be the benefits of having a thicker edge? I would presume it'd be something like cutting thicker/harder materials.
 
What would be the benefits of having a thicker edge? I would presume it'd be something like cutting thicker/harder materials.

Overall edge strength as in able to hold up to harder uses, but at a loss of cutting efficiency.

Don't confuse edge strength with edge retention as they aren't the same.
 
Thanks for posting that anecdote although I must admit it made me wince a bit haha

But I am not surprised the M390 did so well. What would have been REALLY cool is if you'd had a M390 Para on hand to lend him in order to compare the two. We cant have everything though...
 
Overall edge strength as in able to hold up to harder uses, but at a loss of cutting efficiency.

Don't confuse edge strength with edge retention as they aren't the same.

Is there a certain angle that gives the best combination?
 
It depends upon what you want to use the knife for. My rule of thimb is as thin as possible, but as thick as necessary. That usually means about 10 to 20 inclusive with a microbevel.

Thin edges last much, much longer than thick edges, assuming no abuse, of course.

To the OP, thanks for the great review and experimenting. I have the same knife in D2 and it really didn't perform until Tom Krein thinned it out for me. Now it's a cutting machine!
 
Thanks for posting that anecdote although I must admit it made me wince a bit haha

But I am not surprised the M390 did so well. What would have been REALLY cool is if you'd had a M390 Para on hand to lend him in order to compare the two. We cant have everything though...

I did offer a Para2 in M390 to use as well, but he said it was just too big. Not a lot of room under there, I guess. :)

He did also take with him my Caly in Super Blue. He said size wise all things considered that would be about the max. I hadn't messed with the edge on that one at all. He tried it but only did 5. He said the handle to blade angle just didn't suit the job well with the Caly.

When he showed me how he was holding the Mini Grip, I could see why. He was choked way up on the knife, holding all blade actually, with just about half an inch of the blade exposed down the entire length of the edge. He holds it that way to lessen the deepness of a cut should he get kicked while cutting and his hand goes where he doesn't want it, like into his other hand.

Ankerson: Don't confuse edge strength with edge retention as they aren't the same.

I think for this job the M390 exhibited excellent edge retention, and the task at hand benefitted from a thin edge. Hence the trouble he had when the edge was originally sharp, but much thicker.
 
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Man seeing that blood covered blade made me thank God I am a human and not a bull calf with my owner wielding an M390 blade. Nice real world use though. Im willing to bet the bulls were at least thankful it was sharp in the beginning :eek:
 
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