Real vs. Fake Knives

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Hi Everyone,

I'm brand new to the knife business, startign my business in the spring.

General question: eBay seems to have a great selection for combat knives, SOGs, CRKT, etc, and great prices.

I've heard that some can be knock-offs. Are there any good ways to tell a real from a fake?


Thanks,

Theodosios,
Blades Beyond
 
It doesn't hurt to start by carefully reading the description. One knife on there was advertised in the header as a "Chris Reeve kike Knife" but in the description it said "Chris Reeve like Knife". The buyer would be making a $200 mistake. Another rule of thumb, if you have any doubts, don't bid/buy. That's a simple way to avoid fakes.
 
Like anything else, you have to make mistakes to gain experience. Just take it slow and give yourself time to learn.

n2s
 
If your planing on using ebay for buying authentic blades best thing to do is look at the sellers feedback and sales report also like Tripwire895 said read the description and see what the seller knows/says about the blade. Get learned on the knifes you plan on selling makes/models/years of production/steel types/handle materials. Also tons of smart knife users on this forum so you can all ways ask around here if not sure. Happy hunting!!
 
Hi Everyone,

I'm brand new to the knife business, startign my business in the spring.

General question: eBay seems to have a great selection for combat knives, SOGs, CRKT, etc, and great prices.

I've heard that some can be knock-offs. Are there any good ways to tell a real from a fake?


Thanks,

Theodosios,
Blades Beyond

Well, just as a side note, knockoff makers tend to target pricier knives...you're not real likely to find too many knockoffs of SOG or CRKT, as in most cases, you can get the real thing cheap enough on Amazon for the knockoff makers not to bother.
 
First, you buy the seller. If their reputation and feedback from various sources make it appear he's decent, then he could be. I've got stung twice by that, tho, one from a auction vendor who dropped off the face of earth after 1,000 sales, another by a forum member at TOS who "just changed his mind." And did nothing to communicate that. You have to accept the risk of human behavior. One poor guy was hit in a traffic accident, and it took months to clear up the issue. No one in the family had a clue to check his transactions, it took a forum member in that city to track things down. So, things happen. Planes and ships sink, the USPS finds your parcel 30 years later. There is no absolute guarantee.

Then check the merchandise. The use of stock photos is problematic. They may very well depict a brand new knife in the box, and the vendor has dozens. Individual pictures taken every time would be redundant and unnecessary. A used or unique knife, tho, should be all original content. And the pics need to match the description - hosting a stock photo of the left and right views of a knife, plain edge, and describing it as serrated is careless. It's a flag to look further, even question the seller. I have, I got a surly response. The use of pics other than your own is a hot button issue on auction forums.

That description needs to be accurate, and should be biased toward the buyer. That doesn't always happen, most sellers like to describe an item in glowing terms, what they leave out is the important stuff. "Lightly carried and used" might be interpreted from one extreme to another, but generally, the edge should be barely touched up. Reshaping it on a bench grinder would be too much, tho, but sometimes little facts like that are omitted. So, the conditions are only a general guideline. "New in box, mint" could still have assembly dings or scratches in hard to see locations, or even right out on the blade. It happens - shipped from the factory.

After all that, consider the site. Most fakes are sold in the largest mass communication possible, to catch the eye of the unknowledgeable. That's where someone who wants to the look but who won't understand the quality details will be visiting, and where impulse purchasing is most likely. There are dozens of models coming out of China right now, look alikes for all the high end folders on the market, for less than 25% of the cost. The rule there is you get what you pay for. A Strider SnG copy for $75 is still a huge profit for them, and there seem to be plenty lined up to buy, just like fake Rolexes with cheap quartz movements. All too many want image instead of depth of character, and there are plenty of other humans willing to take their money and enable their fantasy.

Learning the ins and outs means being in a position to listen to those with the experience, likely because it cost them dearly. Those lessons are free, it's a matter of sorting out why they are saying it. In gun and knife forums, however, there is an element who are more reactive than thoughtful, and their interest is more oriented to preserving their social status. Things will quickly deteriorate into a measuring contest if dogma isn't instantly accepted. Avoid them. What the experts say is that the more they know, the more they don't know it all.

Don't fixate on one type of knife - after 40 years of messing around with them, new interests come up, and some old itches get scratched well enough that the particular interest is fulfilled for years, all because one model really does it all for you. I've searche for the best 3 1/2" tactical folder since 1984, and have some good ones. Presently, I'm playing with sub 2" fixed knives - who knew? As life changes, so do your interests.

And don't worry about the fakes too much, I've got a scar from them, too. Not so fake after all.
 
Simple answer: tak EBay out of your vocabulary unless it's ONLY for selling. Do not bet your rep on knives you buy there if you plan on getting inventory to sell from there. There are plenty of fakes of all brands. CRKT is actually one of the biggest, as there are so many models out there and lower prices on a mass market knife is easier to pass off than a distinct looking custom. Buy from wholesalers or manufacturers. You will pay slightly more, but you will be confident in what you sell, and the knives will have the quality and warranty they should.
 
Well, just as a side note, knockoff makers tend to target pricier knives...you're not real likely to find too many knockoffs of SOG or CRKT, as in most cases, you can get the real thing cheap enough on Amazon for the knockoff makers not to bother.

I'd say that the knockoff makers also tend to target POPULAR knives - so they move bulk quantities. Look at all the Spyderco UKPK knockoffs on the market.

TedP
 
Welcome to Bladeforums.
The best teacher in this case, is indeed experience. It comes from years of handling and using knives for many. You begin to learn more about the nuances between an original piece and a flat out ripoff. In some instances, it can be hard to tell. A safe bet would be to watch where you buy. If a deal is too good to be true, then it most certainly is.
 
Welcome to BladeForums! Like jimh0220 said ebay is really designed for the seller, very difficult to buy from ebay then turn around and pay their fees and paypal and make any money.
 
Do some research on the Seller. Look at past sales and what else they are currently selling. If they have a history of selling the exact same rare & expensive model over and over, these may be fake. Also, see what else they are offering, if everything else are cheap knives from China or Pakistan, or all their other stuff is cheap imports, then the expensive knife may be suspect.
 
Be very careful and take your time reading everything in the descritption.

Also, you could message the seller if you arent absolutely certain.

If you do find a fake, do report it!
 
If you don't even know how to tell fakes from the real deal as far as knives go, maybe you should learn more about cutlery in general before starting a knife business. I think you are at the right place for that though...
 
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