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FENCER

FENCER

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HELP! The thread posted by LOL about the balisong sparked the idea that maybe you could help with my problem. I'm currently trying to get my dad to let me buy a new knife. He spent one week trying to decide whether to let me get my gerber AR 3.00. He thought the teflon on the blade made it look "scary":rolleyes: I'm not planning on anything underhanded. I just need a way to point out that knives have more purpose than bodily harm... Many times we will go somewhere and need to open a box, cut something, or other activities and out comes the knife to help. But still knives are only weapons. Any ideas of how to get him to permit the purchase? (looking at benchmade griptilian or a crkt)Maybe I need a fathers point of view. Thanks
 
Ah, now here's a pleasant contrast with Mr. Lol.

Young Mr. Fencer wants to convince his father to allow a new knife, not to find some way to sneak it past him or trick him. And he realizes the need in any situation to understand the other person's unique point of view.

I suspect that your responsible conduct with your Gerber is a great way to start.
 
FENCER, Well actually from a Dad's point of veiw you are off to a good start. By asking permission and waiting for his approval you are showing responsibility and keeping trust. If the Gerber looks menacing to him then point a few more traditional ones out to him and see what he thinks. If you are responsible and he sees you really want a knife he will probably let you at some point. Alot of people think that having more than one knife is a waste or weird or even worse. I was lucky and my parents let me buy all the knives I wanted (could afford) beginning when I was about 10, not to mention that stores would gladly sell you any knife they had with no questions. I am not sure how old you are or where you live, but you should obey your parents wishes even if you don't like them or agree. They know you and know what you can handle. Good Luck...
 
FENCER,

Take the offensive, by asking your dad what kind of pocket-knife he carried as a young man. If he didn't carry one, ask him why not, and what one he WOULD have carried if given the chance.

Also, get a current issue of Blade or Tactical Knives Magazine, and maybe just leave it open to a knife that you are interested in. Ask your dad if he sees any in the magazine that "catches his eye".

I might help to talk about how you plan on using a knife as a tool, rather than as a "weapon".
 
Fencer,
young Man, you are on your way. The first step is done. Now,show him this thread and the other one. Have THAT Heart to Heart and then show him some Photos!!!!!!....wolf;) ;)
 
oops I was just showing him some spydercos on the net and the civilian showed up... lol he didnt like that one! When he was young he had swiss army knives. He STRONGLY dislikes dangerous objects ever since him and his friend accidentally shot a UPS guy in the leg with a .22 :D I think hes considering the griptilian! thanks again guys
 
I think hes considering the griptilian!
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That's great. The Griptilian, of course, is a perfect general utility knife: the lock-up is totally reliable, the handle is comfortable and gives a good working grip, the blade is strong and not too long for careful work. It's not even very expensive.

Good luck. I hope your Dad appreciates that you do want his opinion and approval. Just remember, if he backs away this one time, don't give up on him! It's because he cares.
 
Fencer, When this is all OVER, I would sure like to KNOW about the UPS Driver!!!!!!!:D :D :D :D wolf
 
Shot the UPS driver? Shot the UPS driver? Do you realize the implications of what you're saying? Bodily harm to the master of the big brown knife bringer? For shame!
 
Im not sure how the story went but I think him and his friend were out shooting trees or targets near place where the big brown knife delivering trucks were kept and somehow it bounced off and hit the guy in the leg. They didn't stay to see what happend...
 
It probably happened like this. The UPS driver arrived with a package containting the significant new custom knife that he had been eagerly expecting for months. Finally, it was here! The UPS man knocked, barely audibly, once. He waited exactly 350 nanoseconds (that's about how long they wait). Then, he slapped up that dreaded yellow note that tells you that since you obviously weren't home when they attempted delivery, and since the box requires a signature, you now have journey over the river and through the woods to some UPS depot out the sticks to claim your package between 10:00am and 10:02am the next day. The UPS man then darted back toward his truck. The only way to stop him and save the package was to shoot him in the leg. An entirely justified shooting, obviously.
 
Definitely well within "The Scope" of acceptable Firearms practice... :rolleyes:

I think he's considering a Griptilian.
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As mentioned.., I'd be a happy camper if he will let you have a Griptilian. I'd say it's one of the best all-around-users in it's range of pricing right now..(also easy to sharpen since it's 440C).


"Hunters seek what they [WANT].., Seekers hunt what they [NEED]"
 
I don't see why UPS guys are so loathed...

Actually, Gollnick's description almost perfectly matches that of the FedEx guys around here. One time, I was watching TV, volume up loud enough to be audible outside, parents' cars were both parked out front; FedEx guy went up to the house, didn't even knock, and left a few seconds later. I figured it was the paperboy, so I waited for a commercial break, then went outside, to find this thing hanging on the door handle... What probably happened was he forgot the stupid package, and was too lazy to go back to the truck to get it...

In contrast, a UPS guy waited for an entire minute once... :eek: Though, actually, about half the (UPS) packages I find lying on the porch say "MUST have signature," or something to that effect, clearly written on them...
 
I live on the fourth floor of an old office building (no elevator, steep stairs), so I give the FedEx guy credit whenever he walks all the way up the top with another package of joy from Les Robertson.
 
I live on the fourth floor of an old office building (no elevator, steep stairs), so I give the FedEx guy credit whenever he walks all the way up the top with another package of joy from Les Robertson.
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Hmm, yah, those guys are a real mixed bag... I think I might have it figured out, at least in part... The closest FedEx building to me is in Cranberry, a half-hour away, while the closest UPS place is right in town. So mebbe it's that the drivers get crankier and crankier the farther they have to drive...

Or, maybe they will only inconvenience you when they know you have to drive 200 miles, then wait for an hour until the guy gets back, then wait an hour while they find the package, then wait for an hour while they all stomp on it (that's apparently what happened in that one instance I mentioned; my parents had to wait around the FedEx office about 2 hours, then, when they finally _got_ the package, it was flat as a pancake [box looked like it was originally about 4" high] and ripped in 3 places, and had packing peanuts "leaking" out onto the floor. Good thing it wasn't anything of mine).


Boy, this has drifted a bit.

So, to the original question, Fencer, if you can show your dad that you're a responsible individual, there'll prolly be no problem. Goes without saying, though that you shouldn't go around slicing everything in sight if you get the Griptilian... :D Speaking from personal experience here... ;):D:D
 
yea the problem is he keep reading articles about the "troubled youth of today" and then about knives and Sept. 11th all these stats about how kids in a certain envirornment with weapons are more likely to be violent. He thinks this is about EVERYONE when the articles state that its kids in certain envirornments(i think it depends on how the weapons are handled). My uncle is a cop in Michigan with his huge safe full of mac-10's, browning hi powers, shotguns, ak-47's, his basement has boxes of tear gas canisters, and he always has his sig or glock on him. His son is not what you'd call violent. Oh well my quest for knife acceptance will continue. Thanks again.
 
Here's an interesting little situation. The great state of Oregun has more guns per capita than any other state in the union. Over half of Oregun households have a gun. Oregun has more lawfully owned Class III firearms (fully automatic guns, guns with silencers, short-barreled shotguns, disguised and unconventional guns, etc., etc.) than any other state. Notice that that figure is not per capita; it is gross number. Oregun is not a very populous state. (As far as I know, Honest Don's in Portland, Oregun is the only retail store in the US specializing in machine guns.) Anyway, the point is that we've got a lot of guns here in Oregun and our children grow up around them.

Here's the interesting part: Oregun has by far the lowest per capita rate of accidental shootings in the country and one of the lowest gun-related crime rates in the country.

I had Thanksgiving dinner with some friends from church. Their third-grader son wanted to show my the new red-dot scope he had on his rifle. When he came back, he demonstrated carefully to me that the action was clear and handed me the gun with all of the safety of a skilled gun handler. Last year, when I visited this same family shortly after Christmas, this same boy, then in 2nd grade, showed me his new pistol that Santa had brought and he did so with equal care and skill. And I can report similar experineces with three of four other similar-aged children in Oregon. These are ordinary families. The parents believe that if you raise the children up in the right ways, they won't deviate from them as adults.

Part of the reason that teenagers sometimes become facinated with guns and knives and violence is the mystery and intrigue that their parents have always built around these things. The old adage goes "forbidden fruit has a strange siren song."

In high school, when someone comes up to one of these boys I've met and says, "Hey, look at this cool gun I stole..." that boy is gonna say, "Who cares? I had one like that when I was in second grade."
 
dang i wish i lived in oregon haha I've got my trusty daisy:barf: and thats about the extent of my "projectile launching" stuff :( my uncle is the opposite of my parents hes ex-military turned cop very pro gun my parents are fairly strong anti...:(
 
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