Rebirth of Archery

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In my younger days, pre-teen I mean, I was a semi-proficient archer. I could hit just about any target out to about 25 yrd., could shoot left or right handed and could judge elevation and diflection for the longer shots, not bad for a kid.

As time went by, I discovered guns and moved away from the bows, spears, blowguns and other primitive weapons and then I let the skills get away from me.

I have always had an intrest in nature and hiking and the outdoors but never really took the time to persue it. I came to Bladeforums for the knives, and a place to talk about politics with like-minded people. During my time here, I have spent less and less time in the Political arena and more and more time here in the W/S forums and thats lead me to places like Paleo Planet and Bushcraft UK and these places have really turned me onto a totally different path in my life...... But anyway, back to the point of the post....

What would be the best way to get back into archery without spending a mint on equipment? I just about won a York fiberglass bow off of Ebay a few minutes ago and then had some second thoughts and was glad to be outbid.

I figure on getting used equipment, what holds up the best? I'm guessing fiberglass holds up better than wood in the long term, and I like the idea of being able to shoot right or left handed. Would one of these bows be a good choice?

Thanks for reading my rant.
 
I am a wood fan shooting a wood recurve and long bow along with my Compound single cam bow. I love archery season as the deer I hunt arent spooked and are much easier to still hunt(which I love to do). Cudo's if you can shoot left and right handed with a bow. I love the feel of wood so thats my thing and my two traditional bows have not failed me, though I do shoot fluted aluminum arrows through them. Good luck getting into archery it takes time and practice....practice....practice because you want the shot to be perfect.
 
There are two ways modern archers are bent. One is the tekie route with cams, releases, sights, compensators and all the gegaws. The other is traditional and the longbow/recurve.

I still shoot old Pearson and Bear recurve bows. They are a lamination of glass and wood. And they are two of the oldest and most trusted names in archery equipment. But I lust for a self bow such as you will see in "Traditional Archery" and "Primitive Archery" magazines. You might pick up issues of each to peruse.

I learned to shoot in the late fifties/early sixties and I cannot make the transition from instinctive to modern styles and equipment. You can get a deal for real on used traditional equipment. I hate buying a bow sight unseen, because an abused/damaged bow is a waste of money, and it is a hard task to repair one with twisted or cracked limbs. Good luck!

Codger
 
I got into primitive archery several years ago when I got involved with the Society for Creative Anachronisms. I picked up a used 45#(pound) Ben Pearson Cougar laminated recurve for $20 in an army surplus store. I experimented with making a few wooden laminated bows myself, with no great success...they kept breaking. If you're looking to take big game (I never have) a 45# is probably the minimum. If you're shooting targets at 25 yards, 45# is probably too much. I like a 35# for that and you can buy many cheap used solid fiberglass bows. I bought 2 on eBay for $20. They often come in funky colors, and I have found that alcohol based leather dye, available at shoe repair shops, will stain fiberglass to a nice rich brown or black. It's a lot of fun. I learned to make my own arrows using dowels from hardware stores, and was lucky to have an archery store nearby that would sell me points and fletching supplies. I even experimented with pounding bladed points out of brake line tubing. Like knives, it's a rich and satisfying hobby to get into.
 
It all depends what way you want to go . I am a trad archer . I shoot laminated fibreglass/wood longbows and one piece wood primitive bows . I would get an inexpensive laminate like the viper longbow . Its one of the least expensive bows and shoots great . If you want to spend more I would go with Martin bows .
Tell me roughly where you live and I can proabably turn you on to a good arrow maker in your area . Aside this the best advice I can give you is to not over bow yourself . Its better to get an inexpensive bow to build up your conditioning and then get the bow of your dreams 5 or 10 pounds heavier . So many people have blown shoulders that could have been avoided . A 45 pound bow is plenty if you have a long drawlength . Good luck and feel free to ask all the questions you want . I can even get you plans for the easiest bow in the world to build when you are ready for that .
 
Kevin, Yea, I would say I am going traditional if not closer to primitive. I am very intrested in making my own bows at some point, but want to work up my skills again first. I do plan on making my own arrows out of the local materials, except for knoches, I prefer to just buy plastic ones.

I really want to practice left and right handed equally, as that was kind of my claim to fame amoungst all of my family and friends when I was younger. Thats what is leaning me in the direction of the fiberglass bows, they seem closer to the primitive bows I aspire to make and shoot one day, as far as function is concerned.
 
I can even get you plans for the easiest bow in the world to build when you are ready for that

I'd be interested in those plans. I did a primitive living workshop where we made bows.. mine.. wasn't the best in the bunch.. we'll say that much
 
Kevin the grey said:
I can even get you plans for the easiest bow in the world to build when you are ready for that .


Hmm--might be interesting. Are you talking laminated, or more-traditional wood varieties? I'm always interested in learning such things, especially the latter.
 
Just got into archery myself, I shoot instinctive with an 80's Border Bow (Take Down wood) I picked it up for $175 shipped. Its a cracker! go to archerytalk forum and ask there for input, great bunch of guys and lots of stuff for cheap in the classifieds section, they have a GB&U of sorts too.

What you will hear from the get go is 'Dont over bow yourself' :D Mine is #44 @28, with my draw its about #47, which is plenty.
 
Archery is still well and alive. :) If you are into traditional archery, ie. instinctive (or semiinstinctive) shooting, try Paleoplanet forums. I'd recommend buy a traditional selfbow, either AFB or ELB from some good bowyer, rather than a factory made one. If you are into something more exotic, you might try even some traditional recurve, look at
http://www.horsebows.com/
- I have the Hun at #42, it was my first "serious" bow, its a sweet and fast shooter and I'm sorry I don't have enough time to shoot it more often as my longbows keeps me busy enough.
Have a happy shooting!
 
Oh, one more thing - it's a great fun to make your own selfbow, and if you are not confident enough, you can attend a workshop under a tutelage of an experienced bowyer.
 
I,ll scare up those plans . Its called the tim Baker bow . Its a primitive bow so you would be shooting your arrow off your grip hand instead of an arrow rest .
That means the feathers have to be tied on your arrow . The front of the feather quill has to be under wraps of thread or it will pierce the skin of the hand the arrow rests on . Its not a biggie to learn to wrap thread on your feather fletching . Some people even use a good brand of electrical tape . I,ll be back later with the plans .
 
Here are those plans . The only caveat is that I have not built this bow . I have only made one and its different . Tim Baker is one of our premier bowyers and is in the Bowyers bible . The only one in all three editions . He lists white ash as your first choice and I agree . Its not necessarily the best . Its easier to work than some of the other woods . Its a pleasure to cut , shave or scrape . As in all woods selection is important . If anyone needs help in selection let me know .
If you are new to archery it might be better to get used to shooting and know what you want before building a bow . Remember it is best to shoot primitive arrows out of a primitive bow .

From now on you are in the hands of Tim Baker .

OUR FIRST WOODEN BOW
Following is a 40-50lb design that is easy and quick to tiller, is durable, accurate and fast, and costs about six dollars to make.

This bow is the length of your finger-tip to finger-tip wingspan. Its side-view shape is that of an English-tillered longbow. This design’s grip is part of the working limb itself, making the bow easy to layout and easy to make. It stores more energy than shorter bows, draws with little stack, and is more stable and accurate than most. It may have a larger number of good features than any other design. These instructions call for a lumberyard hardwood stave. With such a stave it’s possible to read this in the morning and be shooting your bow the same afternoon. Not likely, but possible.

If you don’t have access to such lumber do this: Cut a straight hardwood tree, split it down to four-inch wide wedges, take the bark off without damaging the wood surface. With saw or hatchet reduce the stave to your wingspan plus a few inches. Reduce it to two-inches wide from end to end, 1” thick at the grip, ¾” at midlimb, and 5/8” at the nocks. Set it horizontally in the warmest, driest part of your house and wait a month. Allow air to move freely over all its surfaces.

Selecting a lumber stave Use any of the medium-weight or heavier hardwoods. White ash, rock maple, hickory, pecan, mulberry, red or white oak, yellow or white birch, black walnut, etc. Seleect a board whose face displays almost perfectly straight ring lines, with no meanders, islands or kinks. Pay no attention to ring lines on the side of the board; they can be misleading; they don’t need to run straight. Although on the rare perfect board ring lines will run straight on both sides and back. Viewed from its butt end, the board’s rings can be flat or angle through the board. Beginners should avoid boards having vertical ring lines. You will likely have to look through 50 or more boards to find a sufficiently straight-ringed stave.

Tools: A hatchet and a rasp are all that’s absolutely needed. But a spokeshave and coarse and medium rasps make the work faster and easier. A block plane is helpful if used carefully. A bandsaw saves about two hours of roughing out.

Front-view layout: With a sharp pencil and a straightedge draw the bow 1 3/8” wide from midlimb to midlimb. From there draw a straight taper to ½” nocks. Reduce the stave to these dimensions. Don’t stray past the line. Create smooth, square sides. Smooth out the slight angle created where the midlimb begins its taper toward the tips.

Side-view layout Draw these lines on both sides of the stave: Let the center six-inches be 3/4” thick. Moving toward the nocks, let the next two inches taper to 5/8 then to 9/16” at midlimb, then to ½” at the nocks.

Reduce the stave to those dimensions. Don’t stray past the lines. Let thickness changes be smooth and gradual. Remove the wood from one side of the belly at a time, with the tool at a slight angle, such that when both sides are done a slight crown will have been created along the center of the belly. Then remove the crown. It’s important to reduce belly thickness this way. Otherwise at some point you’ll dip below the line on the opposite side and ruin the bow. This method also averages out any errors of reduction. It’s also easier than trying to remove full-width wood.

As you remove wood down to the pencil lines frequently sight along the length of the limb from a very low angle and make sure your work is smooth and uniform, with no dips or waves or dings. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF BOWMAKING--if thickness taper is smooth and gradual it’s difficult to break a bow.

Narrow the belly side of the grip just enough to cause a nocked arrow to rest square against it. Do this on both sides of the grip. Round all corners of the grip.

Tillering: Cut string nocks with a rattail file or similar, then string the bow with a slightly slack string. Set the center of the grip on one end of a tillering stick--a 30” one-by-three board or similar--and place the string in a notch cut into that board, causing the bow to bend about five inches. Lean this rig against a wall then back up and inspect the curve of your new bow.

The shape you are seeking should not be part of a circle, but more the shape of a satellite dish antenna—an only slightly bending grip, with each portion bending slightly more than the last as you move from grip to mid outer limb. Elliptical tiller. The last ten inches or so bend should be a bit stiff, with less bend than midlimb.

It would be good to draw this shape on paper and have it ready to refer to while tillering..

If your bow does not take this shape, or if the limbs are not curving equally, make pencil marks on the belly where the limbs are too stiff. Remove wood from these stiff areas, first on one side of the belly, then the other, then remove the slight crown created. Do this with long sweeping strokes, creating no dips, waver or dings, frequently sighting along your work, as above. THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF BOWMAKING.

When the curve finally suits you brace the bow about five-inches high with a proper-length string and inspect it again. Mark any stiff portions and reduce them as above. When content with the curve draw the bow to half its intended draw weight, measured by your best guess or a scale. Set the bow on the tillering stick at this length of draw and mark any stiff areas and remove as above. Re-check the tiller, re-mark, remove wood, etc. until perfect curvature is reached.

Now draw the bow to full draw weight. If full weight is reached at, say, twelve-inches of draw you need to remove medium amounts of wood all along the bow’s length. Do so by above methods, check for proper curve on you tillering stick. Correct where needed.

Again draw to full weight, now at possibly fifteen-inches of draw. From this point on remove only paper thin amounts of wood at a time. Pull to full draw weight after each curve check, setting the string into ever farther notches on the tillering stick as draw length increases. But only for a few seconds at a time. Once within five inches or so of full draw inspection time should drop to just a second or two.

This process of drawing to full weight after each tiller check--Jim-Hamm tillering--insures that you never come in under intened draw weight, the most common failing of new bowmakers.

Continue this process until about one inch short of intended draw length. Smooth all surfaces to your taste, slightly round the corners, and you’re done. The bow will settle right into its intended weight.

If using hickory, pecan or rock maple 50lbs is a safe weight. Redoak or ash or elm will be safe at 45lb. If birch or black cherry stay at 40lb. As your tillering skill improves these weight can rise several pounds.

When tillering is near complete, and if the tips are straight—causing the braced string to sit centered over the grip--narrow the last ten-inches of outer limb down to 3/8” nocks. This softens any hand shock and increases cast. If the string is slightly off center narrow the tips only on the offending side. This will bring to string back toward center.

Nock the arrow just above the center of the grip. The arrow will fly more accurately with one limb or the other as the top limb, but this may change over the life of the bow.
 
Kevin the grey said:
I,ll scare up those plans . Its called the tim Baker bow . Its a primitive bow so you would be shooting your arrow off your grip hand instead of an arrow rest .
That means the feathers have to be tied on your arrow . The front of the feather quill has to be under wraps of thread or it will pierce the skin of the hand the arrow rests on . Its not a biggie to learn to wrap thread on your feather fletching . Some people even use a good brand of electrical tape . I,ll be back later with the plans .


Hey, but there is an easy way how to prevent this.
I suppose that you nock your arrow so it's makes a right angle with the bowstring.
Just nock an arrow cca 10 mm (.4 inch) above your usual nocking point. The feather binding would never bruise you again. I'm shooting this way, traditional, no arrow rest, no grip hand protection, and I'm fine.
 
I agree under certain circumstances not protecting oneself may not be necessary . It is best to think in general terms instead of specific cases . Not all arrows fly well everytime . Not all arrows are perfectly spined for the bow . Not all people are the same . Covering the quills with thread is a common practice .
When I give advice it is always erring on the side of caution . I do not know everyone I am dealing with nor their skill levels . I would rather tell nine people to do something someone else feels is un-necessary than have one get lacerated by a feather un-necessarily . Aside from that it is a first step to tying ones feathers on with thread instead of using artificial glues which are not accepted in some primitive tournament classes .
 
But I do wrap my feathers on tournament grade selfnocked arrows; but the higher nocking never failed me and it works with all kinds of arrows, ranging from a totally crap blunts used on some reenactment events and tournaments, up to some well made selfnocks or even modern dural arrows with plastic fletchery (I had to use them when training on a sport archery range, where other types were banned).

So with all respect I just advice to try this little trick, just don't forget not to move the grip hand; it stays where it was, while the nock goes slightly up.
 
I skimmed most of the postings and found some good information there. I hope I'm not repeating anything, but you may want to check with Three Rivers Archery. They have primitive bow kits. These are either selfbows or backed bows that have been laid out and only need final tillering. I've been thinking of picking up the bamboo backed bow.

And by the way, listen to these folks and don't get caught in the nonsense of wanting a super heavy bow. Anything in the 40 - 50 lb. will work for you. I'm talking from experience...I had my drawing shoulder cut open just over a year ago due to an injury that occurred pulling a bow. You should make a point of developing the upper back and shoulders. Don't worry too much about the arms....it's in the upper back and shoulders. Also, try to have the muscles warm when you pull a bow. Take a piece of elastic tubing with you when you head to the field and keep the back and shoulders warm. You'll be glad you did.

:)

Edit: Also, if it's wood bows you are interested in you may want to subscripe to Primitive Archer Magazine. They have a website that you can visit.
 
Plowboy made some great points . Especially getting a bow kit if you are not sure you could start from scratch . I,m the kinda guy who learns a fair amount before I dive in and there are others who prefer to learn along the way . Both usually work out great .
 
Tons of great stuff here, thanks guys. Thank you Kevin for the tutorial.

Have no fear of me getting too heavy a bow, I am leaning in the direction of a 35-40lb. pull weight, this is just for target shooting, not really much of a hunter.

I'm also a fairly large guy, about 280 on my beefier days, so not to sound smite, but I could most likely handle quite a bit of weight.

From what I've been told, it's not the initial pull that will get ya, but the smaller adjustments your back and shoulders perform in order to steady the weight and get your point of aim. Thats what damages the smaller, less developed muscles in your back.

The last time I shot was a few months ago with a friends hunting bow. It had an 80lb pull and I shot about 50 shots. The next day, things hurt that I didn't know I had. Took me a while to figure out why it hurt....duh.
 
Best thing I ever did for myself was to make small "kids" bows. (happy neighbor kids). This will teach you all the tecniques needed and you won't be so frustrated or bugger up a good stave. Size doesn't matter when it comes to making bows, all rules apply. (try to break the "rules" so you know how far each kind of wood can go).
Hickory makes a mighty fine bow and is very forgiving, a good starter wood.:thumbup:
 
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