Recollections on deer camp

fitzo

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Back in the days when I hunted, our “deer camp” was a friend’s farm up in Wisconsin. It was a family camp, often 30 or more people. Almost yearly there were new young people joining the hunters to learn.

My recollection is that there seemed to be two types of young people with large differences between them.

One type always seemed mature for their age. They realized that the adult hunters were happy to teach them everything they knew as long as they didn’t make a nuisance of themselves and did their part to learn. After all, passsing on knowledge to good students of the younger generation was a time honored tradition. The novice hunters mostly kept quiet and tried to learn by the example they were seeing in the adults. They knew that they would receive good answers to good questions. The very best realized that they were being taught in a way that would bring them along as a hunter, and that those who were teaching them knew best what they were doing with their advice. They realized that if they made a pest out of themselves they would become unwelcome, and made sure not to do that. They followed suggestions closely. If corrected, they listened and learned, never acting like a pouty child. They understood they needed the adults to learn from, not the other way around. Every one of those young people turned out to be excellent hunters, often surpassing their teachers.

Then there was another type that was invariably immature for their age, not prepared yet to learn. They seemed to think that acceptance as a student meant they were an equal member of the hunt. They needed to always be the center of attention. Constant non-relevant questions were spit out just to be heard by the adults. They talked incessantly. They didnt really learn much because they spent more time talking than listening. They missed all the suggestions to be more quiet, too self-absorbed to admit they were a total pest and poor student. If corrected, they would grow petulant and pouty, and try to make the adults seem like all their problems were the adult’s failing instead of theirs. Like children years younger, everything was always someone else’s fault. As soon as someone stroked their ego a bit they would “forgive” the adults and expect to be treated nicer. Slowly but surely, though, the adults would realize this child wasn’t really interested, and was mostly just wanting attention. Once in awhile they would get the hint and turn into the type who made good students. When the teacher realized they now had a good student, they were welcomed. Often, though, they blamed everyone else for their failure and went away sullenly. They never were honest with themselves.

I can’t remember one of this latter type, never self-honest, who ever made a good hunter.

I don’t know why I’ve been thinking about this lately, but just thought I’d share this observation.
 
Good learners make good teachers. :thumbup:

I've learned a lot about human nature at dear camp. The primitive situation brings out both the best and the worst in people.

Fred
 
Mike I wish that I could write as well as you do and make a point so effectively. I hope that you are listened to and paid heed this time.
 
point taken.

Jacob,

Accomplished makers, become accomplished makers, by doing. It takes a great deal of practice to grind a blade, that enthusiast, will recognize as, beautifully ground. You progress by practicing.
I for one enjoy answering questions and shining a little light in front of a new maker, to help him along. But, in the end, it's what he does on his own, putting the hours in at the forge or grinder, that makes him skilled.
We want to see you progress. It is gratifying to see passed along knowledge bare fruit.
My brother in law, who is a metallurgist, told me a couple of years ago, that I was asking "a lot smarter questions", than I did in the beginning. I guess I am making progress too.

Fred

I apologize for the highjack, Mike
 
...I apologize for the highjack, Mike

No need, Fred. Not a hijack at all.

I posted these thoughts as a reflection to inspire comments about the relationship between teacher and student.

Yesterday, I read this wonderful statement by a newer forum member:
...... Then one day sensing my misunderstanding he sat me down for tea. He told me that in the old world if you had enough respect for someone to seek them out as a teacher it was your job to make yourself teachable. It was not the knowledgable persons job to conform to your view of how things should go.

He was right. He knew everything I wanted to know but had niether resposibility or need to share any of his knowledge with me. I was much more humble from that point on and learned more than I can tell.

...

It gives much to reflect on, and can be a lesson to us all who seek to learn. "It was your job to make yourself teachable".....what a powerful lesson that is in itself.
 
Man this is so true.....I was one of those bad students at one time myself (Ouch that hurts to admit but it was true)...My teacher did have patience with me and figured out a way to make me learn and finally figure out that I needed to listen the first time he told me....What he did was ...Everytime I would ask how to do something he would respond by asking me how I thought it should be done,then say well go do it,well as you can guess my way didnt work 99% of the time,after calling back with failure he would then just ask if I had any other ideas of how to do it,and when I would run out of ideas he would then ask if I wanted his opinion and then he would tell me how to do it...It took me a very long time to realize that I was messing up and needed to listen and learn the first time he told me how to do something (without questioning him) since he had done all the trial and error himself years ago I could have saved myself allot of heart ach by listening to him the first time...Now we have a much better teacher student relationship and I now after figuring out what I was doing wrong can call others and ask for sdvice and be able to learn from them the first time they tell me....

Man I wish I would have learned this lesson many many years ago instead of being a hard headed punk know it all kid,I would be much better off in everything i do now...

NO P.S. I am not talking to you,just reflecting on my own stupidity:)

Bruce
 
just reflecting on my own stupidity:)

Bruce


...that is something I'm never sure if I do enough, or too much!

I still question everything. I tend to try and solve problems I don't even have yet... and as important as advanced preparation is, at some point I have to shut up and just do it!

One of the only positives I can point at to being a hardheaded kid, though, is that it blossomed into an unquenchable tenaciousness. I never win, but I never give up, either!
 
Deer Camp has taught me a lot about others and even more about myself. Very good analogy fitzo.
 
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