Recommendations for a water stone?

jstn

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Hi All,

I've been practicing my sharpening on larger blades, mostly Busse, Swamp Rat etc., and I want to purchase a good water stone. I've been using the mouse pad/sand paper method to convex, but want a stone I can use to free hand sharpen my V grinds and use to sharpen convex edges as well.


The one I had in mind was this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000DD2C9/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER


I really am not sure what grits I need, or whether there were any certain brands that work better than others. Thanks for any and all recommendations.
 
I've been using Spyderco ceramic stones for a few years, and I'm very happy with them. I've got a few of their benchstones and some of the Pro-Files (great for traveling and unusual blade shapes). They are more durable than traditional water (and oil) stones and a lot less messy. Try them out, you might like them.
 
Thank you, I am going to check them out. Do they work well on larger blades?
 
Yes, you can get them in different sizes. I don't have many large blades that aren't convex (and I use sandpaper on those), but they are used routinely on 8" and 9" blades.
 
I would recommend keeping with the waterstone idea, spyderco ceramics and carbon steels are not the best together. While they will work you will achieve a much cleaner and keener edge from a waterstone.

As for waterstones, at least look for something with a brand name. Amazon is not that place to look.
 
I am not very experienced with the variety of waterstones but it seems that Chosera, at least the coarser ones as well as up to 3000 grit is a good value. Jason should be able to give you more details once you have narrowed your choices. I like diamond stones, mainly because of easy use, except on scandi bevels, and also I like Norton Crystolon oil stones. I wonder if the Crystolon stone would give you a good starting point.

I ordered my Norton Crystolon here: http://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Norton-C25.aspx?Page=2

I think good quality of SiCa stones is important!
 
I am going crazy trying to decide whether or not to include water stones in my sharpening arsenal.
What is the big difference in a finer grit chosera and finer grit ceramic or diamond? (besides the mess)
 
I am going crazy trying to decide whether or not to include water stones in my sharpening arsenal.
What is the big difference in a finer grit chosera and finer grit ceramic or diamond? (besides the mess)

Great question.
 
The same as the difference between any two stones: the fineness and the edge characteristics. Those can vary dramatically from stone to stone. Diamonds, ceramics, and water stones leave very different edges and affect different steels differently.
 
Diamonds are locked in place (embedded in a single layer into a metal plate), so they leave a very even scratch pattern. They are also the hardest material known to man, so they cut very fast. They are excellent for the highest-wearing steels (D2, etc.). They can leave a very nice edge and tend to be coarser than the advertised grit, based on my own experience. They can be overkill for softer steels and can be very hard to deburr if you're doing everything on the stones because they cut so fast and coarse. As a result, they really benefit from stropping afterward with a loaded strop. They work best after breaking in (a few dozen sharpenings or whatever) and smooth out. They will eventually smooth out to the point they need replacing, but it will take years, maybe 10 years of constant use (we're talking high quality manufactured stones like Aotoma and DMT).

Water stones are my favorites. I don't use Choseras. In fact, the only water stones I have are Nubatama Ume, Naniwa, and Arashiyama. I mainly use my Omura 150 grit and Arashiyama 1k and 6k. Water stones, even relatively slow-dishing ones like the Arashiyamas, are much softer than ceramic. You can easily gouge a water stone with a knife. They work well on almost all steels except the very high-wearing "super" stainless steels, but they still work, just a bit slower (I regularly sharpen S30V, VG10 and other high-wearing steels with my water stones). The abrasive releases from the binder and creates a slurry or mud, which both sharpens and polishes above and below the apex. They can produce edges finer than their advertised grit from breakdown of the slurry. A hard stone like a Chosera probably cuts fast and leaves a nice, smooth edge.

Ceramics are very hard, load quickly, and cut pretty fast. They can be used dry or "splash and go" style. They tend to burnish/polish edges especially at higher grits like the Spyderco UF and put a mirror polish on a bevel. They can put a very fine edge on a knife. I don't use my ceramic stones very much these days because I don't like the way they load up and slow down so quickly.

I think water stones are the most versatile stones, and I think they are great for general sharpening of common steels at any grit. I like my Arashiyamas, but I haven't tried a lot of water stones. I'd love to get the full Nubatama Bamboo range and the full Chosera range. I would also like to try the "green brick of joy" 2k and the "snow white" 8k stones (both Naniwa stones). But if I bought every stone I wanted to try, I'd be in debt. I've already spent over $1k on sharpening stuff, probably closer to $2k. :( So I think I'm going to just try to be happy with what I've got, which is already a lot.

If you want to get into water stones, you could start with a King 1k and 6k. They are cheap, widely available, and are good enough for Murray Carter. I've heard they are soft, slow stones and good general-purpose stones.
 
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Thanks for the great info Magnanimous G! I am going to check out some of the stones you mentioned.

Knifeknit1013, do you have any recommendations you prefer? I am on a budget but I do want to get quality stones rather than just keep accumulating cheap stuff that doesn't work well. I am glad some of you knowledgeable sharpeners are chiming in. I am new to the sharpening game and just trying to figure some stuff out. Thanks
 
The 1k and 6k Arashiyama are excellent stones to start out with, not so basic you will struggle to sharpen and not so advanced that they will be beyond your skill level.
 
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