Red Dot Sight?

[Flexxx]

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=822690

 

[mgregg85]

I've been drooling over the Eotech line, mainly the 512. I prefer the open style of the Eotech to the closed, scope style of the aimpoints.

 

[gytheran]

There have been a lot of reports of Eotechs having problems; either with the sight no longer working or battery leakage. They're a nice looking sight, but I won't be getting one.

I just picked up a primary arms M4 clone. There have been some good reviews over their red dot sights and this one is suppose to have a battery life of over 1,000 hours. I like the fact there are 4 different reticle styles, which the Aimpoint doesn't have. Either case... if this one breaks, the Mrs. says I can fork out the cash for a real Aimpoint.

 

[Bladite]

There have been a lot of reports of Eotechs having problems; either with the sight no longer working or battery leakage. They're a nice looking sight, but I won't be getting one.

I just picked up a primary arms M4 clone. There have been some good reviews over their red dot sights and this one is suppose to have a battery life of over 1,000 hours. I like the fact there are 4 different reticle styles, which the Aimpoint doesn't have. Either case... if this one breaks, the Mrs. says I can fork out the cash for a real Aimpoint.

i don't see how battery leakage is the device's fault?

nobody ever got fired for buying EOTech

for $100ish, Ethan's favorite is the 4x Nikon. sharp, good, cheap, no electronics.

in the back of my brain, i'm shopping for a scope for ranges from 100-600 yds and either .223 or .308

 

[oso_blanco]

Got confused, posted my reply to same thread in ESEE forum (with a picture of a Becker)

I'm +1 with Ethan on the Nikon 4X- Been using 2-7x32 Leupolds on centerfire .308s but I never seemed to need to change the power setting.

 

[JV3]

99% of the people who buy an eotech over an aimpoint is mainly because of cost. even though a gerber will suit most of our needs we still pony up the extra cash for beckers and esee. me? i'd rather have 1-2 beckers or esee and an aimpoint rather than 30 beckers or esee and an eotech. i don't penny pinch when my life or a loved one's is on the line. either sell some of your knives, or wait and save up. you'll be happier in the long run...gives you a chance to be good with irons which everyone should be anyways.

all people need to do is check out what red dots are on pat rogers' and magpul dynamics' students' rifles. these people are real deal operators, leo, etc. not mall ninjas trying to look cool on the interwebz. these guys sling lead downrange probably more in a year than most of us will do in a lifetime.

i don't see how battery leakage is the device's fault?

nobody ever got fired for buying EOTech

the eotech's springs softens over time and it leads to a jackhammer effect on the batteries slamming against the contacts...and yes, that's not regurgitated information, i experienced it first hand although the result on mine was blinking and shutting down completely. they do have excellent warranty/customer service though - probably from all the practice they get they fixed this on their xps line where the batteries are perpendicular to the barrel now.

as far as not getting fired for buying an eotech, maybe not...but shot and died because it failed is more likely there's a reason why the aimpoint is the military's red dot of choice.

 

[Guyon]

I thought the military generally went with low bidder.
I bought a SPOT (Aimpoint clone) after seeing some of the endurance "tests."
It's a solid red dot and allows for co-witnessing with the iron sights.
However, I have a soft spot in my heart for an Eotech and hate to hear about the battery issue.
It appears I need to do some more research.
Of course, I'm not expecting society to fail, or zombie hoards to attack. Not just yet anyway.
If either happens, would someone shoot me a PM so I can tell the guys in Prac Tac.
In the meantime, I'll just keep a loaded 12 gauge and a handgun handy in case someone tries to break into my house.

 

[Bladite]

I thought the military generally went with low bidder.
I bought a SPOT (Aimpoint clone) after seeing some of the endurance "tests."
It's a solid red dot and allows for co-witnessing with the iron sights.
However, I have a soft spot in my heart for an Eotech and hate to hear about the battery issue.
It appears I need to do some more research.
Of course, I'm not expecting society to fail, or zombie hoards to attack. Not just yet anyway.
If either happens, would someone shoot me a PM so I can tell the guys in Prac Tac.
In the meantime, I'll just keep a loaded 12 gauge and a handgun handy in case someone tries to break into my house.

i'm pretty bang on with iron sights, esp with pistol, and shotgun no worries there... good to 200 yds easy.

we have a lots of troops deployed. a LOT of them are running what the individuals want to run - their own personal optics - because what they were issued is shit. i asked some marine guys i know what they used - they said they all spent their money on EOTechs, and put their issued stuff in their locker. it is their lives after all.

as well, i seem to see a LOT of Trijicon ACOG stuff too. it's an obvious looking shape.

take a look at videos of war action. you'll see a lot of familiar optics. not saying that aimpoint is not the shitznitz... but i don't seem to notice them.

in the BSG tv series, almost all the optics i noticed were ELCAN. which is kinda funny really, that they ran real optics on modified/toy guns

 

[JV3]

I thought the military generally went with low bidder.

lowest bidder that can still meet their specs. that's why a low bidder colt ar-15 is still preferred over something made by say, dpms or rock river arms that cost $500 more in a gun store

if you're serious about doing more research, head over to the larue tactical forum on arfcom. they are the esee of the scope mount world. if you get hit with an ied and the mount gets damaged, return it for a brand new one, free

i'm pretty bang on with iron sights, esp with pistol, and shotgun no worries there... good to 200 yds easy.

we have a lots of troops deployed. a LOT of them are running what the individuals want to run - their own personal optics - because what they were issued is shit. i asked some marine guys i know what they used - they said they all spent their money on EOTechs, and put their issued stuff in their locker. it is their lives after all.

as well, i seem to see a LOT of Trijicon ACOG stuff too. it's an obvious looking shape.

take a look at videos of war action. you'll see a lot of familiar optics. not saying that aimpoint is not the shitznitz... but i don't seem to notice them.

in the BSG tv series, almost all the optics i noticed were ELCAN. which is kinda funny really, that they ran real optics on modified/toy guns

some are allowed to use their own stuff, some aren't. you'd be surprised how many of them including leo's aren't gun people...it's just another job for them. it's the same reasoning why gerbers still make it over there instead of their issued ka-bars.

trijicon is a better comparison to aimpoint. i just don't like magnified scopes for my cqb-type ar-15s. the rest are strictly for bench rest plinking so i have a nikon 6-18x with a larue mount on it. but if i were to employ it for home defense, no doubt i'd consider trijicon along with nightforce and schmidt and bender only.

but let's face it, anyone who's actually considering preparing for a firefight and with a range of 50 yds or more in america is playing one too many video games...when society breaks down to that point here, a good ol' handgun or two and 500 rounds of .45acp will be much more effective. we'll run out of food and water first before 500 rounds is used up defending the home/personal supply.

 

[gytheran]

i don't see how battery leakage is the device's fault?

Please don't shoot the messenger. It's just one of the problems I've ran across. I'm actually in the process of getting an AR together(which has been an ongoing project over the last several years). Through looking at various sight options, I've noticed the eotech sights have reported more issues. Mind you, this may be due to the sheer volume of their sights being purchased. In either case, it's a potential negative for getting a sight of theirs.

I have held them and would not hesitate to buy one if I hadn't read of numerous failures in the field.

 

[randalljames6]

FLexxx ive got two little millets both are 1moa dot they work great and are cheap like $50. One is on my ar-15 the other is on my browning buckmark target .22 pistol. My friends and family call the buckmark my "cheater gun" due too how well the little red dot improves accuracy.

 

[Fallbrook Forge]

Generally speaking, the military does go with the lowest bidder. However, occasionally they get something right. And they did with the aimpoint. They're reliable, durable, accurate, and have incredible battery life.

Bladite, most Marines are at the minimum, miss informed. The vast majority just don't know what they don't know. They go with Eotechs because the gun rags tell them they're "just as good as" they look cool, and they're cheaper than an Aimpoint.
And no unit I've been with, or heard of, with the exception of special operations is allowed to use their own stuff on guns. Most units don't even let guys use aftermarket gear, let alone optics.

The only red dot I'll recomend to people who are serious about it is an aimpoint. If you're plinking, target shooting, etc pretty much anything will be fine.

If you have a gun that you'll potentially grab to face shoot a scum bag, put an aimpoint on it.

The battery lasts, a long time. Ive had a T-1 on one of my rifles since Oct 2008 with the same battery in the whole time. I've never turned the sight off.

I've removed it at least a half dozen times, minimal zero shift. 1/4" at 50 yds.
And I've hit steel plates out to 489 yds.

Many professionals that I have mucho respect for run aimpoints, that to me, is a clue.

 

[Flexxx]

FLexxx ive got two little millets both are 1moa dot they work great and are cheap like $50. One is on my ar-15 the other is on my browning buckmark target .22 pistol. My friends and family call the buckmark my "cheater gun" due too how well the little red dot improves accuracy.

I've never seen that model for $50.00 bucks and I dont think Millet makes a red dot sight with MOA 1.......


Do you guys prefer a darker lens or a more clear one.

The one on the silver millet is pretty clear, not much tint to the lens, the black millet has a darker tinted lens, I'm wondering if I should have went with the darker lens to see better when the sun is bright or when the ground is covered in snow......

Are there options of adding a darker lens to the front of the sight, when I put my sun glasses on the front while looking threw it makes the red dot easier to see......

 

[randalljames6]

I've never seen that model for $50.00 bucks and I dont think Millet makes a red dot sight with MOA 1.......


Do you guys prefer a darker lens or a more clear one.

The one on the silver millet is pretty clear, not much tint to the lens, the black millet has a darker tinted lens, I'm wondering if I should have went with the darker lens to see better when the sun is bright or when the ground is covered in snow......

Are there options of adding a darker lens to the front of the sight, when I put my sun glasses on the front while looking threw it makes the red dot easier to see......

The two I have are sp1 1x20 your right about the dot size it is 3moa. The millett 3moa is a very defined dot and works great for hunting small game and target shooting (just ask several dozen prairie dogs in the panhandle of OK). I guess i was thinking about my bushnell with the circle dot recticle its suposed to be 1moa but looks larger than the millett. Anyway i got mine at sportsmans warehouse in edmond when they were going out of business got both for $50 dollars a piece. just checked you can purchase online for $75 now.

 

[Flexxx]

I have the millet multidot, it has 3,5,8,10 MOA and is pretty sweet, I wish it had a darker lens though just because it hard to see the 3 MOA in the snow....

@Randalljames6
How does yours work when its really bright out or with snow on the ground?

 

[randalljames6]

I've used it alot in the daylight with out issue but it needs to be turned up all the way. It's alot like iron sights in that with practice your muscle memory will put the dot in the center of the scope everytime you raise the gun so its not like you have to look for the dot. But others who have shot my guns have problems finding the dot. But then some people can't even see the crosshairs in scope either. Lol

I've never had mine out in the snow but I could imagine that would be the worst test for brightness.

 

[kg4ghn]

The only red-dot sight I have used was an Aimpoint CompML3 that I had on an AR I used to have.

I love that sight, 5 year battery life without ever turning the sight off. I had my AR next to my bed, and if I had of needed it I could have just picked it up and been ready.

I day pay for it, a lot more than I usually pay for regular scopes but I felt like it was worth it. And when money got tight and I needed to sell some stuff, they have good resale value.