Red Loctite in Manix 2 XL?!?!

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JoeMySwords

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Hey guys, so I just got a Manix 2 XL over Christmas, and this thing is great. Solid, rock hard, I can't think of a single thing wrong with it. At least, I couldn't at first. I went to bump the pivot screw back just a little bit because it was a bit tight, and...nothing. It wouldn't budge. The Manix 2 XL has threads on either side of the pivot, so I turned it over and the other side backed out, but it didn't loosen up more. So, naturally..I tried again. In fact, it started to strip the pivot screw head a bit..which I thought was wrong. I know Spyderco Loctites their screws, but it should be blue, right? It shouldn't be this hard to back out. So, wanting to see what's up I took the knife apart, checked out that pivot, and...there's Loctite RED in one side of the pivot. Not blue, but RED.

Sorry for low quality pics, but if you look in the pivot it's definitely red and not blue, no mistaking that.

http://imgur.com/a/k61lT

I can't back the screw out, I can't do anything. I was posting this here to see if I'm the only person who got Loctite Red in their pivot screw..? Lemme know down below if you have one of these with Red Loctite, or if it's just me and I should send it in or something, or if I even CAN send it in..Thanks for any responses, guys!
 
Alright I finally got it out, I got a piece that can clamp down on the little flat spot of the neck in between the pivot screws, held it tight to the handle, and just twisted and, believe it or not, the screw just came right out. Problem solved!
 
Alright I finally got it out, I got a piece that can clamp down on the little flat spot of the neck in between the pivot screws, held it tight to the handle, and just twisted and, believe it or not, the screw just came right out. Problem solved!
 
In the future, heat helps release loctite, with small screws like that you can use a soldering gun to heat the screw up and help release it, works wonders.
 
In the future, heat helps release loctite, with small screws like that you can use a soldering gun to heat the screw up and help release it, works wonders.
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I thought about heat, but wasn't too big on the idea due to the possibility of damaging the G-10 scales or possibly warping the liner, I didn't want to heat the screw and then cause some unintentional damage that would leave me with no way to fix it, you know?
 
I think a soldering iron would be fine as long as you didn't leave it on there a long time, you'd never build up enough heat to warp the liners, you could soften the G10 if it got really hot over a long time, but it's very unlikely since the metal is going to transfer the heat quickly to the other metal parts. It doesn't take a ton of heat to just soften the loctite, but you're right better safe than sorry too. The trick is to only apply it in a small area, and frequently check the screw to try and loosen it so you only use as much heat as is needed. A lot of the small torx screws being used these days don't have very deep heads, and a lot of small torx bits are not well machined so between the two it's easy to strip a head.

Loctite is good and bad, red should not be needed though, blue should easily keep screws from moving. It's a slippery slope though I've seen more than one knife with loctite on the pivot screws where the loctite migrated into the pivot messing up the blade action.
 
ToddM said:
It's a slippery slope though I've seen more than one knife with loctite on the pivot screws where the loctite migrated into the pivot messing up the blade action.
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I know what you mean, more than anything though I was just surprised that a Spyderco at that price point came from the factory with red loctite, I've never seen or heard of that.

A lot of the small torx screws being used these days don't have very deep heads, and a lot of small torx bits are not well machined so between the two it's easy to strip a head.
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This especially, is what bothered me. And it's with so many, it's like torquing down on a screw made of butter, it just obliterates the screw head. I guess if it comes down to it the screw can always be replaced, but when I spend upwards of ~$60 or so it's a small investment I'd rather not have had to make in the first place.
 
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