Regrettable purchase

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Recently bought a Cold Steel American Lawman. I have been a fan of CS knives for a long time. and I do love my Voyagers, but this knife is a big black piece of crap. Out of the box it's dull as a brick. Fit and finish are so poor as to be non-existent. I will say the Tri-ad lock seems really secure, but that's kinda irrelevant if the blade is this dull. I tried to sharpen it, tried to reprofile it, even used the sharpening machine at the food processing place where I work. It simply will not take an edge. Now the blade finish is destroyed by the wheels on the grinding machine, voiding whatever warranty it might have once had.

I hate buying crap. I especially hate buying $60 worth of crap. :mad:

Big thumbs donw on this "knife". :thumbdn:
 
I own one aswell

It was very dull when I bought mine.I questioned if it was a bootleg because I could not get it sharp at all.

I havent had the best experiences with some cold steels either.
 
Recently bought a Cold Steel American Lawman. I have been a fan of CS knives for a long time. and I do love my Voyagers, but this knife is a big black piece of crap. Out of the box it's dull as a brick. Fit and finish are so poor as to be non-existent. I will say the Tri-ad lock seems really secure, but that's kinda irrelevant if the blade is this dull. I tried to sharpen it, tried to reprofile it, even used the sharpening machine at the food processing place where I work. It simply will not take an edge. Now the blade finish is destroyed by the wheels on the grinding machine, voiding whatever warranty it might have once had.

I hate buying crap. I especially hate buying $60 worth of crap. :mad:

Big thumbs donw on this "knife". :thumbdn:

You need to call Cold Steel and explain the problem, they have great Customer service and stand behind their products 100%. Sounds like you got a bad one that slipped through some how.

You should have called them right away.

Every CS knife I have ever bought was extremely sharp out of the box and I have been buying them sense the 80's.

So if it's not sharp then something is very odd, maybe a fake.
 
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Recently bought a Cold Steel American Lawman. I have been a fan of CS knives for a long time. and I do love my Voyagers, but this knife is a big black piece of crap. Out of the box it's dull as a brick. Fit and finish are so poor as to be non-existent. I will say the Tri-ad lock seems really secure, but that's kinda irrelevant if the blade is this dull. I tried to sharpen it, tried to reprofile it, even used the sharpening machine at the food processing place where I work. It simply will not take an edge. Now the blade finish is destroyed by the wheels on the grinding machine, voiding whatever warranty it might have once had.

I hate buying crap. I especially hate buying $60 worth of crap. :mad:

Big thumbs donw on this "knife". :thumbdn:

LOL...reading your review and then watching this video is hilarious! "You can shave with this knife..." Ha ha! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bTNfn_Di8s
 
You need to call Cold Steel and explain the problem, they have great Customer service and stand behind their products 100%. Sounds like you got a bad one that slipped through some how.


Yeah, I'll probably call them on Monday, just to see what they say. But I don't have the original box (it was torn when I got it, so I tossed it), and like I said above I'm guessing I voided the warranty by trashing the finish (which is supposed to be Teflon but seems more like paint). Even if I ship it back, UPS will cost me about $12, and I am not sure I want to be out any more money on a knife I will never, ever be happy with after this.

This was my first purchase from yourcornerstore.com, and it came in a damaged CS box. Now I also am wondering if it's a bootleg.
 
It was very dull when I bought mine.I questioned if it was a bootleg because I could not get it sharp at all.

With my torn box, shitty knife, finish that looks more like paint than Teflon, I'm definitely thinking bootleg.
 
With my torn box, shitty knife, finish that looks more like paint than Teflon, I'm definitely thinking bootleg.

That is a possibility. There has been an increase in the flow of fakes recently.

FWIW, there's a couple of folks who regularly post here that have this knife. They have posted very positive reviews.
 
Quapaw...have you considered the Buck/Strider SBMF? I have one of these (in coyote brown) and love it. For some reason when I look at the American Lawman I think about this knife. Maybe cuz of the similar blade shape and size? Anyway, just a suggestion. You can find these for around the same price you spent on the Cold Steel but like I said, I really love this knife...tough as nails, sharp as hell, and quite handsome I might add. Here's some pics:

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i got to handle a lawman and mini lawman and i was amazed at what a POC the knife was, the mini however was a fantastic knife over all very sharp, good lockup, no play. with the fullsize the fit and finish was pitiful, the lockup seemed fine, but there was alot of play
 
Now the blade finish is destroyed by the wheels on the grinding machine, voiding whatever warranty it might have once had.

I beat up a blade pretty bad trying to sharpen (terrible factory edge grinds combined with my crappy sharpening skills) and CS still replaced it for me with no hassle. :thumbup: Give it a shot.
 
The Lawman I got is pretty good. Lock-up, fit, etc. are the same as most knives in the same street price range. The knife came shaving sharp. I like the two clips being provided.

As to sharpening, the steel acted as I've come to expect AUS8 - bit of tenacious burr formation.

Try customer service, but I wonder wonder why one would trash a blade attempting to sharpen the blade when other issues are present that seem to call for return.
 
Normally I would move this to FEEDBACK/GBU but I think I'm going to leave this one here. We get so many threads bashing CS, but here we have a really bad knife and the discussion is on topic. No fat man references, no "politics".

I remember a while back, Lynn himself was complaining about knock-offs. He might be interested where this Lawman came from. I definitely recommend calling Cold Steel Cusomer Service.
 
Normally I would move this to FEEDBACK/GBU but I think I'm going to leave this one here. We get so many threads bashing CS, but here we have a really bad knife and the discussion is on topic. No fat man references, no "politics".

I remember a while back, Lynn himself was complaining about knock-offs. He might be interested where this Lawman came from. I definitely recommend calling Cold Steel Cusomer Service.


There are a lot of them out there too, people have to be very careful where they buy now or they can end up with a fake. :(

It's so bad that there is a page on the CS website, here is a quote:

Tell Tale Signs:
Unfortunately, like bogus currency, it is difficult to tell the difference, and usually it takes a direct comparison to an authentic piece to see the difference, but here are some red flags that should tip you off.

1.Is the item marked down substantially from the suggested retail price? This, first and foremost, should be the most obvious clue. If an item normally has a suggested retail price of $100 and it's being offered for $50 or less, you can be pretty sure that you’re being ripped off.

2.Is the quality up to Cold Steel's standards? Look at the fittings and the finish. Are the grind lines crisp, and clean or are they blurry and indistinct? Is the blade razor sharp, or is it just somewhat sharp? If you’re buying a San Mai knife, can you see the laminate line where the different kinds of steel meet?

3.If it is a fixed blade knife, look at the sheath that came with it? Is it a sturdy quality piece, or something made of the cheapest materials available?

4.If it is a folder, is the lock sturdy? Does the blade wobble? Is the locking mechanism strong?

5.Make sure you research what you're buying. Get our catalog, go to our website and look up the item you plan to purchase from another vendor. Does it look the same? Many of these fakes are easy to expose, simply becase they don't resemble anything Cold Steel sells. They just trade on the Cold Steel name.

6.Be aware of situations where this kind of commerce takes place. Flea Markets, Swap Meets, garage sales, and street vendors are places where you're most likely to be ripped off. Above all, use common sense, if a street vendor is trying to sell you a Rolex watch for $10, for example, your common sense should tell you that it is very likely a fake! Also be on the lookout for disreputable websites that list only a phone number or a P.O. box for contact information. We've even discovered some of this trash product on Ebay (to be fair, Ebay has been very cooperative with us and has removed fraudulent products when we request them to do so).
Most of these fakes are being produced in Asia. Our representatives there tell us that the fake knives are available from street vendors there. To protect yourself from this kind of fraud, you should only buy from reputable dealers or from Cold Steel directly. The sayings that “you get what you pay for” and “if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is” should be first and foremost in your mind when you think about purchasing one of these knives.
 
The Lawman I got is pretty good. Lock-up, fit, etc. are the same as most knives in the same street price range. The knife came shaving sharp. I like the two clips being provided.

As to sharpening, the steel acted as I've come to expect AUS8 - bit of tenacious burr formation.

Try customer service, but I wonder wonder why one would trash a blade attempting to sharpen the blade when other issues are present that seem to call for return.

As far as the other issues, I don't expect near custom fit and finish from a knife made in Taiwan, or one in this price range. I do expect it to cut. I put the blade to a wet SC wheel machine as a last resort to prove to myself that the edge fault lay in the steel, not my sharpening technique. The machine is designed for large Dexter Russell boning knives, and does a real uglification on small folders. It will, however, usually render them quite sharp.

I have a number of knives in AUS-8. This ain't AUS-8, or at least it isn't heat treated properly. Its behavior reminds me of the $5 balisongs my friends used to bring over for me to try to sharpen in the 80's.

The more I think about, the more sure I will contact Cold Steel CS. Whether or not they make this good, they do need to know if either their Taiwan QC is this bad or a dealer is selling knockoffs. As for me, I've pretty much written this one off, but then I a generally a pessimist.
 
As far as the other issues, I don't expect near custom fit and finish from a knife made in Taiwan, or one in this price range. I do expect it to cut. I put the blade to a wet SC wheel machine as a last resort to prove to myself that the edge fault lay in the steel, not my sharpening technique. The machine is designed for large Dexter Russell boning knives, and does a real uglification on small folders. It will, however, usually render them quite sharp.

I have a number of knives in AUS-8. This ain't AUS-8, or at least it isn't heat treated properly. Its behavior reminds me of the $5 balisongs my friends used to bring over for me to try to sharpen in the 80's.

The more I think about, the more sure I will contact Cold Steel CS. Whether or not they make this good, they do need to know if either their Taiwan QC is this bad or a dealer is selling knockoffs. As for me, I've pretty much written this one off, but then I a generally a pessimist.

I just got one of the new Recon 1's a little while ago and it's made in Taiwan compared to China or Japan Like my old one. It came razor sharp out of the box and fit and finish are very good so it looks Like the QWC is good.

Photo below of the Old Vs the New, the old one is like 6 years old.

 
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